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Haditha- Horror... or Hoax?
various FR links and blogs | 06-10-06 | t

Posted on 06/10/2006 4:53:20 AM PDT by backhoe

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To: backhoe
Hoax. Next question ?
21 posted on 06/10/2006 5:59:05 AM PDT by Beagle8U (Juan Williams....The DNC's "Crash test Dummy" for talking points.)
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To: backhoe
We can expect to read and hear accounts similar to this in the very near future.

WINTER SOLDIER INVESTIGATION:

Testimony given in Detroit, Michigan, on January 31, 1971, February 1 and 2, 1971

Sponsored by Vietnam Veterans Against the War, Inc.

1ST MARINE DIVISION, Part III

MODERATOR. Mr. Bangert, there's an incident here where you found crucified bodies hanging on barbed wire fences and in the same incident you witnessed South Vietnamese civilians shot without provocation on Highway 1. Could you go into this and kind of see how they are related?

BANGERT. I can cover a couple of these at the same time. The first day I got to Vietnam I landed in Da Nang Air Base. From Da Nang Air Base I took a plane to Dong Ha. I got off the plane and hitchhiked on Highway 1 to my unit.I was picked up by a truckload of grunt Marines with two company grade officers, 1st Lts.; we were about 5 miles down the road, where there were some Vietnamese children at the gateway of the village and they gave the old finger gesture at us.

It was understandable that they picked this up from the GIs there. They stopped the trucks--they didn't stop the truck, they slowed down a little bit, and it was just like response, the guys got up, including the lieutenants, and just blew all the kids away. There were about five or six kids blown away and then the truck just continued down the hill.

That was my first day in Vietnam.

As far as the crucified bodies, they weren't actually crucified with nails, but they would find VCs or something (I never got the story on them) but, anyway, they were human beings, obviously dead, and they would take them and string them out on fences, on barbed wire fences, stripped, and sometimes they would take flesh wounds, take a knife and cut the body all over the place to make it bleed, and look gory as a reminder to the people in the village.

Also in Quang Tri City I had a friend who was working with USAID and he was also with CIA. We used to get drunk together and he used to tell me about his different trips into Laos on Air America Airlines and things.

One time he asked me would I like to accompany him to watch. He was an adviser with an ARVN group and Kit Carson's. He asked me if I would like to accompany him into a village that I was familiar with to see how they act.

So I went with him and when we got there the ARVNs had control of the situation. They didn't find any enemy but they found a woman with bandages. So she was questioned by six ARVNs and the way they questioned her, since she had bandages, they shot her. She was hit about twenty times.

After she was questioned, and, of course, dead, this guy came over, who was a former major, been in the service for twenty years, and he got hungry again and came back over working with USAID, Aid International Development.

He went over there, ripped her clothes off and took a knife and cut, from her vagina almost all the way up, just about up to her breasts and pulled her organs out, completely out of her cavity, and threw them out. Then, he stopped and knelt over and commenced to peel every bit of skin off her body and left her there as a sign for something or other and that was those instances.

MODERATOR. Okay, there were American officers present when this happened or...

BANGERT. There were two super-secret. I know they were field grade officers, who were with MACV in Quang Tri Province in the area. They knew about it.

As an aside, Bangert (Joe) is a close, personal "friend" of John "The Snake" Kerry and has worked on ALL (including 04)of Kerry's campaigns for the past 20 years and this lying, phony, traiterous, fraud has NEVER been repudiated--much less--rejected, by Kerry!!! Why should he, they are "peas in a pod."

22 posted on 06/10/2006 6:07:19 AM PDT by namvet66 (Beam me up Scotty!!)
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To: backhoe; freema

WOW!


23 posted on 06/10/2006 6:19:55 AM PDT by Valin (http://www.irey.com/)
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To: backhoe

It appears the breathless hour-on-the-hour reports about Haditha are fading from the DBM 'news'. Wonder if the story is too phony-bologna even for them to hype it. I'm betting the DBM will just simply stop talking about it; no apologies.


24 posted on 06/10/2006 6:30:54 AM PDT by 6SJ7
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To: 6SJ7
It appears the breathless hour-on-the-hour reports about Haditha are fading from the DBM 'news'. Wonder if the story is too phony-bologna even for them to hype it. I'm betting the DBM will just simply stop talking about it; no apologies.

The late Reed Irvine of Accuracy in Media had a very telling line about the press ( this was during the Clinton scandals, but applies everywhere ):

If the press does not like a story, they just won't talk about it.

25 posted on 06/10/2006 6:47:47 AM PDT by backhoe (-30-)
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To: backhoe

Another gold star for you, Sir.


26 posted on 06/10/2006 6:49:04 AM PDT by facedown (Armed in the Heartland)
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To: facedown

Thanks for stopping by.


27 posted on 06/10/2006 6:57:11 AM PDT by backhoe (-30-)
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To: backhoe

Bookmarked, thanks.


28 posted on 06/10/2006 6:58:16 AM PDT by Stentor (It's almost 1992. Do you know where your Clinton is?)
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To: freema

Last night I saw the dreadful John Roberts on CNN (standing in for Anderson Cooper)...he was doing a report on Haditha so I HAD to watch.

Here's what was interesting..remember- in the beginning- CNN was all over this as Marine Massacre..last night, however, they had on 2 different guests discussing the likelihood that this was NOT what it at first appeared to be.

I take this as a sign that CNN is starting to backpedal on the story- they see the handwriting on the wall...


29 posted on 06/10/2006 6:58:27 AM PDT by SE Mom (God Bless those who serve.)
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To: backhoe

bump for future reference. Thanks backhoe


30 posted on 06/10/2006 7:00:54 AM PDT by showme_the_Glory (No more rhyming, and I mean it! ..Anybody want a peanut.....)
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A key source for McGirk’s report that US Marines in Haditha had deliberately attacked civilians was Thaer al-Hadithi. whom McGirk inexplicably described as “a budding journalism student”.

'Budding journalism student', I'd like you to meet 'Lucy Ramirez'!

31 posted on 06/10/2006 7:02:45 AM PDT by TC Rider (The United States Constitution © 1791. All Rights Reserved.)
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That is good news--and then today I saw a quote in an article from Khaleej Times where the Iraqi foreign minister stated quite matter of factly that the US military is not killing Iraqis--the terrorists are. He specifically named Haditha.


32 posted on 06/10/2006 7:10:51 AM PDT by MizSterious (Anonymous sources often means "the voices in my head told me.")
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Bookmark


33 posted on 06/10/2006 7:15:33 AM PDT by listenhillary (Only the stupidest of animals fouls it's own nest - Democrats provide a fine example of this)
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To: backhoe; delacoert

Good work Backhoe.

Delacoert is trying to keep all the Haditha stuff archived. Please Ping him when you have new stuff as well


34 posted on 06/10/2006 7:21:41 AM PDT by pissant
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To: chgomac; backhoe; Coop; bnelson44; freema; Jemian; ovrtaxt

To see how the Marxists involved in the illegal immigrant movement handle this see the Aztlan (Latino-Marxist) website at Axis of Logic, and http://www.aztlan.net/the_haditha_massacre.htm


35 posted on 06/10/2006 7:24:06 AM PDT by gaspar
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To: Wilhelm Tell

I am extremely confident that the blowback will shatter the MSM, if the "massacre" meme falls apart, which looks like it will.

Freepers and the blogosphere and Rush and Laura I. and the WSJ and Fox will bury them.


36 posted on 06/10/2006 7:25:11 AM PDT by pissant
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Delacoert is trying to keep all the Haditha stuff archived. Please Ping him when you have new stuff as well

I was not aware of that- thanks for mentioning it.

37 posted on 06/10/2006 7:26:27 AM PDT by backhoe (-30-)
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To: 6SJ7; backhoe

I think after 3 retractions from Time's original stories on this, with many more to come, some MSM outlets have realized they are playing with fire.


38 posted on 06/10/2006 7:28:37 AM PDT by pissant
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To: gaspar

To see how the Marxists involved in the illegal immigrant movement handle this see the Aztlan (Latino-Marxist) website at Axis of Logic, and http://www.aztlan.net/the_haditha_massacre.htm




Thanks for the interesting link. I see they accecpt "massacre" as de facto.


39 posted on 06/10/2006 7:28:43 AM PDT by backhoe (-30-)
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To: TC Rider

Maybe McGirk is Lucy Ramirez.


40 posted on 06/10/2006 7:30:35 AM PDT by pissant
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