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Constitutional Amendment on Marriage Fails
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Posted on 06/07/2006 8:37:51 AM PDT by andy58-in-nh

Edited on 06/07/2006 11:34:52 AM PDT by Admin Moderator. [history]

Constitutional Amendment on Marriage Fails

Wednesday, June 07, 2006 WASHINGTON — A constitutional amendment to define marriage as a union between one man and one woman stalled Wednesday in a 49-48 vote, but conservative backers say they are pleased to have had the vote nonetheless.

"For thousands of years, marriage — the union between a man and a woman — has been recognized as an essential cornerstone of society. ... We must continue fighting to ensure the Constitution is amended by the will of the people rather than by judicial activism,” said Senate Majority leader Bill Frist, R-Tenn., after the vote.

A constitutional amendment needs two-thirds votes to pass, but first had to get through the procedural cloture vote, which requires 60 senators to agree to end the debate and move toward final passage.

Shy 11 votes to go to a final debate, few crossed the political aisle to vote against their party's majority position. Republican Sens. John McCain, Susan Collins, Olympia Snowe, Judd Gregg, Arlen Specter, Lincoln Chafee and John Sununu voted against the cloture vote. Democratic Sens. Ben Nelson and Robert Byrd voted for it, as they did in 2004. Republican Sen. Chuck Hagel and Demcratic Sens. Chris Dodd and Jay Rockefeller were absent.


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To: Durus
Government already regulates marriage.

Yes, government already regulates marriage. I never said it didn't. The horses are out of the barn and it's too late to close the doors. If the federal government wants to in the future, it can continue to regulate it and declare that all states must accept same-sex marriage; all with only a majority to pass any other legislation. All that's needed now to force all states to accept same-sex marriage is a decision by the federal government (a majority decision by the Supreme Court or legislation from Congress) to further regulate it. The FMA protects states from imposing a radical new regime of marriage on them by the federal government. To change this afterward would require a new amendment instead of mere legislation. Basically all the FMA does is say what 'marriage' is. If you use a different label, you can give same-sex marriage all the benefits of anyone who is considered married, but only in that state. If another state *chooses* (is not force to) it can recognize that 'marriage'.

What would happen if this was passed is that the communists running the homosexual agenda movement would pass another amendment changing the wording of the marriage amendment...and that will give even more power to government. It's not to hard to imagine that this will all lead to government having the power to tell you whom you can't marry and who you must marry.

In the end, government will do what it can get away with. An amendment merely makes it more difficult to get away with it. You are concerned about things which are already a possibility, but are unwilling to do anything to mitigate these possibilities for fear they will make them a possible. If you think this sounds a little bizarre, that's the point.

301 posted on 06/08/2006 8:15:54 AM PDT by nosofar
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To: Eastbound
The more important issue here is stopping judicial activism in its tracks.

If Congress would step up, this would not be necessary. It's too politically expedient to kick a controversial issue to the courts, though.

302 posted on 06/08/2006 8:21:12 AM PDT by nosofar
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To: nosofar

I still don't understand why you think that giving government further power, to solve a problem they created, is the logical response to this issue. A better amendment would be one that states firmly and directly that marriage is firmly and forever beyond the regulation of government.


303 posted on 06/08/2006 8:21:45 AM PDT by Durus ("Too often we enjoy the comfort of opinion without the discomfort of thought." JFK)
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To: BostonCreamPie
I'm not promoting homo-anything. I'm opposing the stupid waste of time that is this FMA.

All politics is a stupid waste of time. That's democracy. If wasting time were the issue, we could just elect a permanent dictator and have done with it, then not have to 'waste time' on any other issue ever again.

304 posted on 06/08/2006 8:24:03 AM PDT by nosofar
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To: justshutupandtakeit
Congress has the power under the "Exceptions Clause", Article III, Section 2, paragraph 2 to remove this issue from the jurisdiction of the judiciary.

Ha! Congress doesn't want to touch controversial issues when they can just let the courts handle it.

305 posted on 06/08/2006 8:26:54 AM PDT by nosofar
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To: demkicker
Only a megalomaniac like John McCain could think he's got a snowballs chance in hell of winning the GOP nomination, much less the Presidency.

Not that tough if the vote gets split:

30% John McCain 20% someone else 15% someone else 15% someone else 10% someone else

306 posted on 06/08/2006 8:31:06 AM PDT by nosofar
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To: nosofar

You are right. Congress abandoned it's responsibility. Not the first time, though. It has a long history of abuses.


307 posted on 06/08/2006 8:47:08 AM PDT by Eastbound
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To: andy58-in-nh

We're watching the building of a house divided.


308 posted on 06/08/2006 9:06:25 AM PDT by Old Professer (The critic writes with rapier pen, dips it twice, and writes again.)
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To: BostonCreamPie

"We've been subsidizing the country for years. "Massachusetts taxpayers receive less federal funding per dollar of federal taxes paid compared to the average state."

I will take your word on that. But that will soon be changing as the taxpayers foot the bill for picking up the pieces left in the wake of Mass.'s social experiment.

You know first hand how it feels to have to pay for others' mistakes.


309 posted on 06/08/2006 10:32:41 AM PDT by ViLaLuz (Stop the ACLU - Support the Public Expression of Religion Act 2005 - Call your congressmen.)
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To: longtermmemmory
Society has a duty to promote those institutions which ensure the future AND discourage those acts which offer nothing for the future.

Not in the United States of America.

What you're describing is a social-engineering totalitarian state.

Society rewards the institution not the individual.

This nation was founded on the individual.

310 posted on 06/08/2006 11:17:17 AM PDT by highball (Proud to announce the birth of little Highball, Junior - Feb. 7, 2006!)
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To: andy58-in-nh

It wasn't the amendment that failed; it was the Republican leadership, especially in the Senate. If Denny Hastert had testicles instead of sour grapes, he would have told his colleagues in the Senate, "Don't send us any spending bills until you have passed this amendment." Compromise is the art of prostitutes and politicans; it takes a man to be a leader. And the Republicans don't have many.


311 posted on 06/08/2006 3:53:17 PM PDT by Reaganghost (Democrats are living proof that you can fool some of the people all of the time.)
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To: Mr. Mojo
McCain .....NaaAaaAaaAaaY (sheep voice)

just like the abortion debate, this is like a visit to the Twilight Zone, I can't believe this is even up for question ! It's like the world has gone insane, McCain will finally be free to marry a male sheep, and it's OK to take a human life (as long as it is an unwanted pregnancy).......

Beam me up Scotty !

312 posted on 06/08/2006 6:40:45 PM PDT by KTM rider ( Support Our Troops Donate to Irey)
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To: Reaganghost
...it takes a man to be a leader. And the Republicans don't have many.

Sadly, I have to agree with you. Few real leaders, anyway. Tom Tancredo might be one, although he is focused on a single issue; time will tell.

As several people have commented in this thread, the timing of the Marriage Amendment was problematic. It was clearly an attempt to redirect Conservatives' attention away from the issue of illegal immigration, even if it was defensible as a matter of policy and law. In any event, the current Republican "leadership" is adrift and detached from its base of support, having long since abandoned the intellectual challenge of implementing a philosophy of governance for the more lucrative pleasures of influence-peddling.

313 posted on 06/09/2006 5:56:48 AM PDT by andy58-in-nh
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To: Mr. Mojo

In what way is McLame Conservative or Republican for that matter? Is there something?


314 posted on 06/09/2006 11:13:14 AM PDT by Rick_Michael (Look at profile for current ways to deal with illegals immigration)
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To: Rick_Michael
In what way is McLame Conservative or Republican for that matter? Is there something?

He's a Republican, make no doubt about it. The only qualification required is the endorsement of the party.

But he isn't a conservative, which if the party bigwigs had any principles would preclude him from receiving that endorsement.

315 posted on 06/09/2006 2:36:24 PM PDT by highball (Proud to announce the birth of little Highball, Junior - Feb. 7, 2006!)
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To: andy58-in-nh
Constitutional Amendment on Marriage Fails

wow, that was quick.

316 posted on 06/09/2006 7:56:36 PM PDT by the invisib1e hand (screw islam.)
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To: andy58-in-nh

"A constitutional amendment to define marriage as a union between one man and one woman stalled"

That's just sad....and pathetic. What kind of twisted and perverted thinking is actually "governing" this country?

Guess they need to be reminded of Sodom and Gomorrha's fate.


317 posted on 06/11/2006 10:24:23 PM PDT by Cedar
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