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RCMP Behind Bomb Material [Now it's a sting?? Entrapment?!]
Toronto Star ^ | Sunday, June 4, 2006 | Michelle Shepard and Isabel Teotonio

Posted on 06/04/2006 12:32:10 PM PDT by canuck_conservative

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To: Bean Counter

Every report I've read indicated it was 3 tons. They ordered it and the police had been monitoring them. The police intercepted the shipment and replaced the AN with some other "powder". Once the purchase was complete the police arrested them.

IMO, it appears to have been handled well from both the Canucks and Americans law enforcement agencies.

Now the politicians will get involved and screw it all up.


81 posted on 06/05/2006 1:50:33 AM PDT by driftdiver
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To: Threepwood
My bet is that CSIS found these guys on the internet

Why does everyone keep saying it is CSIS that monitors the internet and telephones?

It is CSE (Canada's equivalent of NSA) that does this.
82 posted on 06/05/2006 2:16:58 AM PDT by Allan (*-O)):~{>)
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To: Seruzawa
Two way radios? Contraband? Is that the latest thing that will get you put on the watch list? How about people who purchase 72 hour emergency kits? Better watch them too.

From the other article posted here on FR, it appears they first started their planning in a chat room. I really don't think a two way radio could be considered contraband. I also don't consider most anything included in a 72 hour emergency kit to be contraband. Well, at least nothing I have in my emergency kit. YMMV though.

Well that is, unless your emergency kit contains three tons of ammonium nitrate and a "crude cell phone detonator". Three tons of fertilizer seems to be a bit much for a 72 hour emergency kit. I suppose I could see where a smallish bag of MiracleGro might be something you'd want to toss into your emergency kit because, after all, in an emergency you'd definitely want edible plants to grow as fast as possible.

I haven't determined yet exactly what you'd need a 'crude cell phone detonator' for though. I guess if one was trapped under fallen debris one might want to use the detonator to blast one's way out. Seems a bit radical to me. Would you really need 3 tons of ammonium nitrate though? Wouldn't that be kind of overkill?

83 posted on 06/05/2006 2:27:25 AM PDT by Sally'sConcerns
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To: canuck_conservative

Most people who throw out the phrase, "It's entrapment" don't have a clue what the term means in a legal sense. This appears to be no exception.


84 posted on 06/05/2006 2:42:46 AM PDT by NavVet (O)
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To: fso301

"I'm thinking even more about Tim McVeigh and his missing license plate."

Good catch.

I like many others still think McVeigh had help.

I was surprised though, that the CIA or the FBI wasn't able to get him to talk.

The only other senario that I can think of is that they did get him to talk, but what he said was damaging to the Clinton administration and covered up like so many other events.


85 posted on 06/05/2006 4:22:39 AM PDT by babydoll22 (The facts ma'am, just the facts. I don't want to know what you feel!)
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To: caveat emptor

'seized evidence such as a 9-mm Luger handgun, military fatigues and two-way radios.'

I guess Sgt. Preston of the Yukon will be knocking on my door next when he finds out I have Scotts Turf Builder too.


86 posted on 06/05/2006 4:51:36 AM PDT by Westlander (Unleash the Neutron Bomb)
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To: AFPhys

According to that article, the reason they were seeking to build a bomb and blow up buildings was beacause they were angry at muslims being profiled as liable to build bombs and blow up buildings.


87 posted on 06/05/2006 5:24:27 AM PDT by Eepsy
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To: F15Eagle
"Fahim Ahmad, 21; Jahmaal James, 23; Amin Mohamed Durrani, 19; and Steven Vikash Chand, 25, all of Toronto; Zakaria Amara, 20; Asad Ansari, 21; Shareef Abdelhaleen, 30; Ahmad Mustafa Ghany, 21; Saad Khalid, 19; and Qayyum Abdul Jamal, 43, all of Mississauga; and Mohammed Dirie, 22 and Yasin Abdi Mohamed, 24"

Wait just a minute here... This is a roster of employees at the Home Depot in Fairfax, Virginia!

88 posted on 06/05/2006 5:35:26 AM PDT by Hatteras
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To: Publius6961
"I can honestly say that up until the names were listed, I had assumed normal Canadians were involved."

We hired a Canadian nurse who had a Pakistan ancestry. Turned out that she was in America with a green card, requested 0 income tax withheld. She had given us a fake address and was requesting all mail to go to a friends address which is different from where she lived. And she refused health insurance saying that if they had anything serious they would go home to Canada and take advantage of the free insurance there.

I flagged her to the IRS. And sooned fired her, because she was reporting a ton of overtime but didn't have the productivity to go with it. After I fired her, coworkers quoted her as saying "Everybody hates America".

89 posted on 06/05/2006 6:26:10 AM PDT by DannyTN
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To: BIGLOOK
Suppose we accept a 300#/acre nitrogen application for row crops, 6000# of ammonium nitrate is required for 6 acres.

Wouldn't that be 20 acres?

90 posted on 06/05/2006 6:48:48 AM PDT by Florida_Freeper
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To: canuck_conservative

So, the mainstream media is now slandering the Mounties? I've seen it all now.


91 posted on 06/05/2006 7:16:11 AM PDT by Catholic Canadian (Formerly Ashamed Canadian - thank you Stephen Harper!)
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To: canuck_conservative

Call me when the perps arrive at Gitmo...


93 posted on 06/05/2006 7:48:00 AM PDT by Jim Noble (And you know what I'm talkin' 'bout!)
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To: Hatteras

Yell out any one of those first names at your nearest gas station/convenience store... and the guy behind the counter will answer.


94 posted on 06/05/2006 7:52:36 AM PDT by johnny7 (“And what's Fonzie like? Come on Yolanda... what's Fonzie like?!”)
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To: DannyTN

If more people are as vigilant as you I feel optimistic about this war. Good going!

(She didn't file an anti-discrimination suit?)


95 posted on 06/05/2006 8:23:05 AM PDT by eleni121 ('Thou hast conquered, O Galilean!' (Julian the Apostate))
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To: Westlander
'seized evidence such as a 9-mm Luger handgun, military fatigues and two-way radios.' I guess Sgt. Preston of the Yukon will be knocking on my door next when he finds out I have Scotts Turf Builder too.

Don't worry about it. Just don't stock up on an extra ton or so of ammonium nitrate fertilizer.
96 posted on 06/05/2006 8:45:44 AM PDT by caveat emptor
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To: Threepwood
The RCMP is famous for its stings. My bet is that CSIS found these guys on the internet,

And the Toronto Star, Globe and Mail, etc. are betting that the mounties did a sting. Ping me when you come up with something other than speculation shows up on a possible sting.
97 posted on 06/05/2006 8:52:21 AM PDT by caveat emptor
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To: caveat emptor

Huh? I'm just commenting on an event, based on my years and years of peripheral contact with the Mounted Police. I'm sorry that the Commissioner and the Soliciter General didn't send me a dossier to share with the internet.


98 posted on 06/05/2006 9:04:32 AM PDT by Threepwood
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To: babydoll22
I was surprised though, that the CIA or the FBI wasn't able to get him to talk.I suspect not wanting to know too much was involved. That can really determine the type of questions asked.

That having been said, in the same manner as anti-terrorism agents setup some of the Toronto terrorists to be picked up by border control agents on narcotics suspicions, undercover agents commonly setup bad guys to be picked up by other LEO's by breaking a tail light, etc. I have been suspicious from the outset that the Fed's penetrated McVeighs group and were setting up a sting but bungled it. Whoever removed his license tag probably thought what would be happening that day wasn't the real thing but a dress rehersal.

99 posted on 06/05/2006 9:23:12 AM PDT by fso301
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To: Flint

"However, if you came to my house you would find some Ammonium Nitrate, two 9mm hand guns and a whole lot of other firearms and ammunition to feed them. A set of two way walky-talkies, that my sons use to play with and some other highly suspect items, like military uniforms going back to the early 1960's. We need to have something else to go on besides normal everyday stuff that most people have around the house."

You've just given a Brit here a good chuckle. The idea of what constitutes 'normal everyday stuff' definatley does not bridge the atlantic!

(We have a knife amnesty in my town at the moment!)


100 posted on 06/05/2006 11:24:12 AM PDT by Brit_Guy
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