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Illegal in Arkansas to Smoke in a Vehicle With A Minor? (What was that about a free country?)
June 2, 2006

Posted on 06/02/2006 5:40:02 PM PDT by sweetliberty

I heard today as I was getting ready to leave work that as of today, it is illegal in the state of Arkansas to smoke in a private vehicle with a minor or on the premises of any business establishment frequented by minors. Does anybody have any more detailed information on this? If true, this is an outrage! Not unexpected, but an outrage nevertheless. Before we know it, we will have to have prior government approval to use a public restroom.


TOPICS: Your Opinion/Questions
KEYWORDS: arkansas; bigbrotheriswatching; freecountry; freedom; governmentintrusion; govwatch; huckabee; individualrights; libertarians; nannystate; privateproperty; pufflist
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To: CSM
You make the assumption that this Judge has a financial interest in a specific agenda, while you make the assumption that paid professional anti-smokers are just stating well founded facts.

You may be right. A local tobacco country judge, having grown up there most likely would certainly know a lot more than professional doctors and scientist and statisticians, and biologists, and immunologists, etc. And of course it would be un-American to to suggest he might just have a built in bias, but only reasonable to suggest all of those others are engaged in a years long conspiracy to prevent a completely healthy activity.

That makes sense.

441 posted on 06/05/2006 6:19:51 AM PDT by MACVSOG68
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To: CSM

Sadly you are probably right. Slowly "big brother" is taking away our rights and private property. Smoking is legal, yet smokers have become the whipping boy.

When the anti smoking movement first started pushing for non smoking areas we were told this was needed b/c non smokers wanted to have their own smoke free space. Smokers didn't object to this and were considerate enough to understand the rational of non smokers while in a confined area. Smokers compromised; we agreed to sit in "smoking sections", but smoking on our own property or outdoors was ok. Now smoking outside is being chisled away as being offensive to non smokers. The anti smokers decided they wanted the entire building smoke free, saying the smoke still polluted their lungs. Smokers grumbled a bit, but understood; so they would stand outside to smoke so not to offend. Then the non smokers decided that smoking outdoors also bothered them. Some beaches, where there is plenty of "clean air" have banned smokers; parks, again plenty of open space there, have banned smokers too. So the logic of non smokers being trapped in a confined space no longer applied. Yet smokers still had the freedom to smoke in their own cars or their homes without worrying about objections....until lately. Now the push is to find reasons to ban smokers from lighting up on their own property.

Each time a non smoker reminds me how my righteous they are I think back to something I read years ago about "first they came for the jews, but I was not jewish...", except this time it's "first they came for the smokers, but I didn't smoke." I look at these same righteous people, some who drink alcohol and others who are overweight, and tell them "next they will come after you", especially since "it's for their own good". The handwriting is on the wall; those with some extra poundage will be the next target, it's already started. So while I sit in their "clean air", chewing my Nicorette gum and slapping nicotine patches all over my body, I will snicker as they're told they can't order highly caloric foods at restaurants b/c it's against the law if their BMI is over 25.


442 posted on 06/05/2006 6:41:13 AM PDT by NicNacPattyWac
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To: CSM

Can you name any successful nation in the history of the world that hasn't had laws that control behavior?


443 posted on 06/05/2006 6:50:10 AM PDT by Moonman62 (The issue of whether cheap labor makes America great should have been settled by the Civil War.)
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To: sweetliberty

I grew up with two parents who smoked. Try driving somewhere in the Winter with the windows rolled up and two cigarettes going.


444 posted on 06/05/2006 6:52:28 AM PDT by ShandaLear (Gringos Unite!!!)
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To: ShandaLear; sweetliberty
(Gringos Unite!!!)

GRINGOS UNITE????

Surely this isn't the "Gringo"  that you are referring to????

445 posted on 06/05/2006 7:12:44 AM PDT by SheLion ("If you're legal, you can fly with the Eagle!" - Michael Anthony)
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To: MACVSOG68

"I did at first, but am so used to it I don't think twice about buckling up."

Well, at least you admit to being a sheep.


446 posted on 06/05/2006 7:15:41 AM PDT by CSM ("Most men's inappropriate thoughts end as soon as the girl talks..." - Dinsdale, 5/30/06)
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To: MACVSOG68

"US Constitution which enumerates those rights recognized for all persons."

Amendment Text | Annotations
The enumeration in the Constitution, of certain rights, shall not be construed to deny or disparage others retained by the people.


447 posted on 06/05/2006 7:18:45 AM PDT by CSM ("Most men's inappropriate thoughts end as soon as the girl talks..." - Dinsdale, 5/30/06)
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To: Clint Williams

Thanks Clint. I'm glad somebody else is talking about the myth of this "free country." We're a regulated, litigated, legislated, emasculated nanny state.


448 posted on 06/05/2006 7:23:05 AM PDT by Luke21 (Democrats hate us, our heritage, and our religion. They think we belong in cages. Never forget.)
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To: gondramB

"This is not about ownership but about the major function of government - protection of citizens from those who would do them harm."

Not according to the USSC.


449 posted on 06/05/2006 7:23:15 AM PDT by CSM ("Most men's inappropriate thoughts end as soon as the girl talks..." - Dinsdale, 5/30/06)
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To: MACVSOG68

"Again, neither has rights in this discussion."

On that, you are correct. It is the right of the property owner to make that decision. Neither the smoker, nor the non-smoker, can usurp that right.

BTW, a privately owned car is private property.


450 posted on 06/05/2006 7:26:41 AM PDT by CSM ("Most men's inappropriate thoughts end as soon as the girl talks..." - Dinsdale, 5/30/06)
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To: CSM
Well, at least you admit to being a sheep.

Well if you sit there steaming for 5 minutes evry time you get into your car, that's your problem. See a psychiatrist. Sometimes they can help with that out of control disease Beltaphobia.

451 posted on 06/05/2006 7:38:31 AM PDT by MACVSOG68
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To: CSM
The enumeration in the Constitution, of certain rights, shall not be construed to deny or disparage others retained by the people.

...including the absolute right to do what you please no matter how may others you may irritate or harm. Yes, now that you mention it I do recall that. If I were you, I'd bring a discrimination charge against Arkansas immediately. I'm sure you're not the only one who sees a constitutional right to drive on a public highway without seatbelts and being able to smoke with children in the car. Go for it.

452 posted on 06/05/2006 7:41:54 AM PDT by MACVSOG68
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To: CSM
BTW, a privately owned car is private property.

And all those darn unconstitutional laws involving vehicles. Does this mean that as long as you are in your vehicle (private property) you can rape someone? Can you smoke dope? Can you drive drunk? Can you operate it without certain safety equipment? Can you disengage the smog prevention equipment? Can you beat someone in it?

Oops.

453 posted on 06/05/2006 7:45:34 AM PDT by MACVSOG68
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To: MACVSOG68

Transporting children in motor vehicles is the single riskiest behaviour that our society partakes in. If you don't yet believe that, spend some time on NHTSA's website. You advocate the removal of ALL potential harmful situations from children's lives.

What makes the single riskiest activity to our children a "straman?"


454 posted on 06/05/2006 7:51:44 AM PDT by CSM ("Most men's inappropriate thoughts end as soon as the girl talks..." - Dinsdale, 5/30/06)
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To: MACVSOG68

"Ah yes, the smoker's holy grail...the straw man."

Ah, taking your logic to it's conclusion is considered a "strawman." Interesting, you aren't willing to abide by your own position. Of course, when you lack principles, emotions rule your life.


455 posted on 06/05/2006 7:54:17 AM PDT by CSM ("Most men's inappropriate thoughts end as soon as the girl talks..." - Dinsdale, 5/30/06)
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To: MACVSOG68

Who was the one talking about strawman arguments? Once again, your lack of principled positions is beginning to show.


456 posted on 06/05/2006 7:57:43 AM PDT by CSM ("Most men's inappropriate thoughts end as soon as the girl talks..." - Dinsdale, 5/30/06)
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To: BurbankKarl

They banned that in CA a while back.""

What they haven't banned in Kalifornia by now, they have taxed to death.

I don't miss living there. I only miss riding my horses in a few places.


457 posted on 06/05/2006 8:01:50 AM PDT by ridesthemiles
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To: sweetliberty
Isn't this an area where a suggestion might be better than an actual law?

Moderation, in government as well as personal behavior, and we'd all be better off.

458 posted on 06/05/2006 8:09:04 AM PDT by AnnaZ (Victory at all costs-in spite of all terror-however long and hard the road may be-for survival)
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To: MACVSOG68

Why don't you go to DU with your liberal brethren. Did you get your ass kicked one too many times when you were a kid?


459 posted on 06/05/2006 8:16:20 AM PDT by ohioman
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To: MACVSOG68

Why don't you go to DU with your liberal brethren. Did you get your ass kicked one too many times when you were a kid?


460 posted on 06/05/2006 8:16:23 AM PDT by ohioman
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