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Woman escorted from her church
Richmond Times Dispatch ^ | 5/31/2006 | ALBERTA LINDSEY

Posted on 05/31/2006 9:27:03 AM PDT by petkus

Police called after she was told not to come; she wants documents

A Hopewell woman, a vocal critic of the Catholic Diocese of Richmond, was escorted by police from her parish church over the weekend after she refused to leave.

Lynn Allgeier, 58, who has attended St. James Catholic Church in Hopewell for eight years, has tried to get the diocese and her parish to make their financial records available for inspection by the laity. She also wants to read the personnel file of Saint James' pastor, the Rev. Frank L. Wiggins Jr.

"They wouldn't give me a line-by-line budget showing how money is spent. I want that, and I want to know the history of the priest," Allgeier said.

William Etherington, an attorney for the diocese, said Allgeier has been disruptive.

"She accuses people of things that are not true and demands she be able to interview the pastor. The pastor has said, 'I don't want you here.' And he has the right to say that."

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To: connectthedots
That does not explain why she should not be able to look at the financial reports.

I'd be very surprised if she did not have access, like all other parishoners at every Catholic Church I've ever heard of, to annual reports of income and expenses.

It sounds to me like she wants the right to audit the Church and nitpick over ever invoice and expense. Maybe criticise the pastor for buying brand name laundry detergent for the linens instead of using store brands. Who knows?

If she suspects malfeasance of some sort, she should report it to the diocese or the police. If she's just nosy, she should get an ego check and realize it is not her role.

SD

41 posted on 05/31/2006 10:27:41 AM PDT by SoothingDave
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To: Smocker
"Why wouldn't a parish want to operate their finances in an open manner? "

- I don't think we've heard the whole background to this story. The way in which the church closed ranks against her suggests to me that her actions in this case were the last straw.
If she's so anxious to find out her church's finances, why didn't she volunteer to be on the committee which represents the lay members?
Often, it's not so much what you want to know, but the way in which you go about requesting it.
Someone who is rude, demanding and resorts to spreading rumor or slander when they don't get there way invariably runs into resistance.
42 posted on 05/31/2006 10:28:44 AM PDT by finnigan2
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To: connectthedots

Makes sense.


43 posted on 05/31/2006 10:30:08 AM PDT by stuartcr (Everything happens as God wants it to.....otherwise, things would be different.)
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To: petkus
And the prize for Least Interesting Headline of the Day goes to . . .

Woman escorted from her church
44 posted on 05/31/2006 10:30:17 AM PDT by Xenalyte (Anything is possible when you don't understand how anything happens.)
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To: markomalley
Allgeier was sent a certified letter by an attorney in Etherington's office telling Allgeier she is no longer welcome on any property belonging to St. James Catholic Church.

"Should you enter these premises, you will be considered a trespasser and subject to arrest," said the letter, dated May 22 and signed by Leslie A. Winneberger.

That seems like a very odd request, when AFAIK there's no mention of her being excommunicated.

45 posted on 05/31/2006 10:31:35 AM PDT by Alex Murphy (Colossians 4:6)
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To: Alex Murphy

The letter isn't technically excommunicating her, it's only saying she can't go on that particular parish's property anymore. She's free to go to others, but it doesn't sound like she will continue to be Catholic anymore, so by her own action (if she does indeed leave the Church), she will be excommunicated.


46 posted on 05/31/2006 10:34:30 AM PDT by FourtySeven (47)
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To: sinkspur
The parish nut. Every Church has at least one.

Too easy.

47 posted on 05/31/2006 10:38:01 AM PDT by murphE (These are days when the Christian is expected to praise every creed but his own. --G.K. Chesterton)
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To: P-Marlowe

Catholics who are aware that the Catholic church is the One True Church do indeed put themselves in danger of Hell by rejecting what they know to be true. All others, YMMV.


48 posted on 05/31/2006 10:38:56 AM PDT by Eepsy
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To: connectthedots

For goodness sakes, read the article. It says she wants a line by line report, that's something quite different than a regular financial report that most churches give to their parishioners. As someone else pointed out, she wants to know how much is spent on paper towels.


49 posted on 05/31/2006 10:39:35 AM PDT by khnyny (Never in the field of human conflict was so much owed by so many to so few.- Winston Churchill)
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To: cripplecreek
Seems to me that it's none of her business how the church spends money. If she gives money it's freely given by her choice but I suspect she doesn't give. I also doubt she has any right to info on the priest either.

Meanwhile, on another thread, Catholic and Orthodox fiscal policies are praised, and Protestant policies lambasted, over the same issue.

50 posted on 05/31/2006 10:39:59 AM PDT by Alex Murphy (Colossians 4:6)
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To: petkus
"They wouldn't give me a line-by-line budget showing how money is spent.

I want the same from my public school district. :)
51 posted on 05/31/2006 10:41:33 AM PDT by P-40 (Al Qaeda was working in Iraq. They were just undocumented.)
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To: ArrogantBustard

Apostacy from what?...the only apostacy I have read about in the Bible is falling away from the faith ascribed to in the Bible...once believing in and then renouncing of the gospel itself is apostacy...believing in a different Jesus than the one spoken of and testified to in the Bible and...adding to and changing the Word of God brings apostacy...Apostacy means turning away from God....it does not say anything about turning away from the catholic church.


52 posted on 05/31/2006 10:41:42 AM PDT by leenie312
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To: Alex Murphy

And I'm not even Catholic myself.


53 posted on 05/31/2006 10:44:08 AM PDT by cripplecreek (Never a minigun handy when you need one.)
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To: Alex Murphy
Meanwhile, on another thread, Catholic and Orthodox fiscal policies are praised, and Protestant policies lambasted, over the same issue.

Not the same issue. That thread is about the salaries of clergy. Orthodox and Catholic clergy are lower middle class, and proud of it, while ministers like Joel Osteen's earnings are in Alex Rodriguez' league.

54 posted on 05/31/2006 10:44:29 AM PDT by sinkspur ( Don Cheech. Vito Corleone would like to meet you......Vito Corleone.....)
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To: RobRoy
When I was Catholic, we received annual financial reports on the state of the parish finances. I even attended a Church in Miami where they would show how much was taken in collections, how much money the parish had in the bank, etc.

I do agree in principle to the idea of laity having more control over the finances within the Church, but this woman chose the wrong venue. I would suggest the blogosphere, as well as standing outside the parish after sunday mass handing out leaflets pushing her cause.

55 posted on 05/31/2006 10:44:43 AM PDT by Clemenza (The CFR ate my bilderburgers! Time to call for a trilateral commission to investigate!)
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To: Eepsy; Alex Murphy; Dr. Eckleburg; Gamecock
Catholics who are aware that the Catholic church is the One True Church do indeed put themselves in danger of Hell by rejecting what they know to be true. All others, YMMV.

The article states that she was considering attending another church, not that she was rejecting anything. Is it a mortal sin for a Catholic to attend a protestant church?

And by the way, what kind of grief will I get into on this thread if I state emphatically that the Catholic Church organization is presently in a state of visible apostacy and that the "One True Church" is not an organization, but the corporate body of true believers in Christ?

56 posted on 05/31/2006 10:47:26 AM PDT by P-Marlowe (((172 * 3.141592653589793238462) / 180) * 10 = 30.0196631)
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To: Clemenza
I would suggest the blogosphere, as well as standing outside the parish after sunday mass handing out leaflets pushing her cause.

Uh, "handing out leaflets" has to be approved by the pastor, in most churches. Any guesses as to how Wiggins would have responded to Allegiers request to pass stuff out to parishioners?

57 posted on 05/31/2006 10:49:31 AM PDT by sinkspur ( Don Cheech. Vito Corleone would like to meet you......Vito Corleone.....)
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To: P-Marlowe

You should start another thread, in the religion forum, if you want a fight over doctrine.


58 posted on 05/31/2006 10:51:03 AM PDT by sinkspur ( Don Cheech. Vito Corleone would like to meet you......Vito Corleone.....)
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To: P-Marlowe; HIDEK6; dangus
Article: She is considering attending a church that is not Catholic, she said.

hidek6: That's a good way to burn in hell forever.

P-Marlowe: Are you saying that only Catholics go to heaven and that everyone else is going to burn in hell forever?

Actually, it sounds to me like simply attending/taking communion at a Protestant church is grounds for damnation. Now compare and contrast to what we've been told on this post, among others leading up to and beyond that one on that thread.

dangus, pinging you as it's your post, above, that I'm linking/referring to.

59 posted on 05/31/2006 10:56:06 AM PDT by Alex Murphy (Colossians 4:6)
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To: Jaded

If I were in a positon of leadership I would expect some sort of background check to see what my qualifications are....when you were hired for your job they didn't check to see if you had a criminal record? I wouldn't want to be blindly led by someone I know nothing about....just because he has a collar.

A priest, a pastor, a minister has a grave responsibilty. They are to feed and nurture those who are in their congregations. I want a leader who is upright, honest and reliable....checking to see if they are what they say they are is only prudent.

If I were to go to a restaurant to feed my body and I found out that the chef had a propensity for picking his nose to flavor my food....I would certainly want to be aware of that. If a clergyman has been caught in lies or other wrongdoing...I would want to know that before having him feed my soul. For out of the fullness of his heart a man speaks...he can be all dressed up and look like a priest (pastor etc), he may have gone through seminary but if I find he has record of sexual misconduct...I would want to know before entrusting my children to his care.

It's only reasonable....a company that hires me has the right to know if I am a felon. Same should be for the church.


60 posted on 05/31/2006 10:56:36 AM PDT by leenie312
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