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White House: Haditha details to be public
AP/Yahoo ^ | 5/31/06 | Unknown

Posted on 05/31/2006 6:20:21 AM PDT by Coop

... Snow said that he has been assured by the Pentagon that "all the details" will be made available...

Rep. John Murtha... has said Marines shot and killed unarmed civilians in a taxi at the scene and went into two homes and shot others.

On Tuesday, [Snow] said President Bush learned of the killings only after a reporter from Time magazine asked questions...

Asked when Bush was first briefed about the events in Haditha, an insurgent stronghold in western Iraq, Snow replied Tuesday: "When a Time reporter first made the call."

According to the attorney for one of three Marine Corps officers relieved of command from a Marine battalion are not targets of investigations into whether their troops killed the civilians or tried to cover it up.

Meanwhile, Lance Cpl. James Crossan of North Bend, Wash., who was injured in the roadside bomb attack in Haditha, told a Seattle television station that some of the Marines might have snapped after seeing one of their own killed in action.

"So, I think they were just blinded by hate ... and they just lost control," Crossan told KING-TV, which aired the interview Tuesday.

The targets... are about a dozen enlisted Marines, according to Hackett, a Marine reservist and Iraqi war veteran who represents Kimber... [Hackett] said the highest ranking among those under investigation is a staff sergeant who led the four-vehicle convoy that was hit by the bomb.

Kimber... was relieved of command last month because his subordinates... used profanity and criticized the performance of Iraqi security services during an interview with Britain's Sky News TV...

...Hackett told The Associated Press by telephone. "He's not under investigation for anything related to what has played out in the press." [snip]

(Excerpt) Read more at news.yahoo.com ...


TOPICS: Breaking News; Crime/Corruption; Foreign Affairs; News/Current Events; US: Pennsylvania; War on Terror
KEYWORDS: alleged; crossan; hackett; haditha; iraq; jamescrossan; kimber; marines; massacre; murtha; murthawatch
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To: OldFriend

I know...it's REALLy sad how the Left's hatred of Bush has put our country in jeopardy, and worse yet, the left doesn;t care!!


221 posted on 05/31/2006 11:55:55 AM PDT by Suzy Quzy ("When Cabals Go Kaboom"....upcoming book on Mary McCarthy's Coup-Plotters.)
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To: Coop; All
Coop, you need to take a step back and take a deep breath. This is Free Republic, a conservative forum. We are all on the same side. Sure, we may have some differences in perception or opinion, but we are all on the same philisophical side.

You argue as if your "opponents" were DU'ers. A good debate is healty, but your argument style begets the forum and your forum-mates.

And the way you assign names to people is seriously childish. The Counselor...The Professor...The Sheriff. C'mon now....

222 posted on 05/31/2006 11:56:52 AM PDT by ContemptofCourt
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To: DevSix
I think she [Emman Wallid] clearly states that she did not leave for school because she knew a bomb was going to go off - (the CNN reporter even surprisingly points this out.....that she admits she "knew a bomb was going to go off"...not that it had gone off).

BUMP!

The girl Emman Wallid even says..."on the third telling"... she knew WHEN it was going to go off...and WHERE it was...right where the Humvee/Armored Vehicle was....and that she covered her ears in anticipation of its detonation...! (Filthy little jihadist voyeurs looking to see Americans die and just take it...never expecting the Spanish Inquisition).

You can practically hear the wheels spinning in the reporter's head after that statement was translated. Calling it "intriguing" and questioning whether it was the result of a "premonition" or "knowledge."

Interesting how the CNN reporter Brian Schilke(Sp?) almost puts two and two together, [ almost blurting out in his tape that the entire family was complicit in the IED attack....and hence were not "civilians", but combatants]. But he concludes with the interpreter trying to fudge over what the girl said.

His "interpreter" goes out of his way to try and rationalize the girl's admission, and tells the interviewer that "the girl was confused" about the timing of events...

If I were that CNN reporter, I would ditch that "interpreter"...is more likely a Sunni "Handler" for the media. And they are probably not too happy that this reporter actually showed some small amount of brains and didn't automatically show the usual gullibility. Not your usual stooge from CNN reporting "American" atrocities...

This particular reporter better watch his back.

Link here to:CNN Interview: Haditha Uncovered

223 posted on 05/31/2006 12:00:29 PM PDT by Paul Ross (We cannot be for lawful ordinances and for an alien conspiracy at one and the same moment.-Cicero)
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To: NapkinUser

224 posted on 05/31/2006 12:00:42 PM PDT by george76 (Ward Churchill : Fake Indian, Fake Scholarship, and Fake Art)
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To: ContemptofCourt

Have you finished that research for me, Counselor?


225 posted on 05/31/2006 12:01:48 PM PDT by Coop (FR = a lotta talk, but little action)
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To: DevSix
They put their family at risk. Plain and simple.

Looks that way to me.

226 posted on 05/31/2006 12:02:24 PM PDT by Paul Ross (We cannot be for lawful ordinances and for an alien conspiracy at one and the same moment.-Cicero)
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To: Paul Ross; BeHoldAPaleHorse; Velveeta
The girl Emman Wallid even says..."on the third telling"... she knew WHEN it was going to go off...and WHERE it was...right where the Humvee/Armored Vehicle was....and that she covered her ears in anticipation of its detonation...! (Filthy little jihadist voyeurs looking to see Americans die and just take it...never expecting the Spanish Inquisition).

You can practically hear the wheels spinning in the reporter's head after that statement was translated. Calling it "intriguing" and questioning whether it was the result of a "premonition" or "knowledge."

You have it exactly right -

227 posted on 05/31/2006 12:02:55 PM PDT by SevenMinusOne
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To: DevSix
Yeah, it was a premonition - Unbelievable that they even suggest such -

Well, its obviously a fantastic stretch, and the way the reporter does it, I almost think he is trying to get his skepticism "out" on the air past his suspicious "handler/interpreter" without getting a knife in the back. Or perhaps past the 'filter' of his own radical-liberal bosses back in Atlanta.

228 posted on 05/31/2006 12:14:33 PM PDT by Paul Ross (We cannot be for lawful ordinances and for an alien conspiracy at one and the same moment.-Cicero)
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To: lugsoul
I haven't seen the interview you reference, and I think your extrapolations from it about what everyone allegedly knew are a bit of a stretch. But let's assume that what you are saying is absolutely true - that this 10-year-old girl and everyone in her house knew that some terrorist types were in the village and were planning an attack on US forces. In your opinion, is this justification for our forces entering the home and putting bullets in their head and chest (assuming those allegations are correct)? If you do, can you think of a good reason to later claim they were killed by an IED?

Lets get some things straight about what I've said - First off this young girl gives an open interview on tape to a human rights group (paid for by CNN) - On the tape she is openly talking (not the scripted type interviews we are mainly seeing)....during her talking she clearly states she not only knew of the IED...and where it was....and not only didn't show leave her house because of it...but she covered her ears in anticipation of its detonation! Because she knew exactly when it was going to go off (understand this was LOS IED) so she either was simply watching the Marines coming or she was watching the detenator of this LOS IED himself??? (one or the other).

The CNN reporter even openly opines (with the gears spinning in his head)... Calling it "intriguing" and questioning whether it was the result of a "premonition" or perhaps "knowledge of some sort of the impending IED attack" (which do you figure??).

With regard to what happened next - I have clearly stated it appears a few of these Marines went through the roof after this specific IED attack (for what reasons??)...did they go too far?(that is being investigated).

But what now is clear is this took place in Haditha (a safe haven for insurgents...who had open support among many of these "civilians" - It is now clear that an IED was set off and that the families within these homes were aware of such an IED being placed. Not only aware by waiting in anticipation for it go off on the bypassing Marines.

Yet the MSM continue to try and paint a picture of these innocent victims who have absolutely no reason to be caught up in this situation whatsoever - That is complete BS.

We furthermore know that on the whole Marines are not actively seeking out and killing innocent Iraqi's....They are out there saving their lives..and giving up theirs in the process....and/or risking their own lives hundreds of times a week.

229 posted on 05/31/2006 12:18:49 PM PDT by SevenMinusOne
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Perhaps we should get the Congolese military involved?


230 posted on 05/31/2006 12:21:59 PM PDT by dcgard
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To: BeHoldAPaleHorse
"Do you begin to see the problem?"

Since when do we tag and bag the bodies of the enemy? I thought friends and family and co-insurgents took care of the enemy dead. And I don't understand the time-gap between the alleged original report of the incident and the report generated after the "mop up." An official report was filed BEFORE the mop up? That doesn't make sense. So, yes, there are problems all around this case; keep in mind that months BEFORE this incident, residents in Haditha were making wild claims of atrocities by American soldiers. The locals were claiming there were NO insurgents in town and NO weapons, both bald-faced lies. So I think the other side also has a big credibility problem here.
231 posted on 05/31/2006 12:24:08 PM PDT by Steve_Seattle
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To: highball

This reporter, Ryan Chilcote, appears to be an exception to the rule of CNN. Actually conveys some doubt about the "line" being pushed out by the handlers.


232 posted on 05/31/2006 12:27:07 PM PDT by Paul Ross (We cannot be for lawful ordinances and for an alien conspiracy at one and the same moment.-Cicero)
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To: BeHoldAPaleHorse
"Now, are you assigned to Iraq? Are you an interrogator/translator, or an intelligence analyst? Are you working the analysis of this event?"

Your question wasn't directed at me, but it seems that you - as much as anyone - are basing your opinions on the little snippets of rumor that are leaking out from the investigation and from the interviews with the alleged witnesses. No problem - we're all doing that. The only thing that annoys me about your attitude is that you give zero credibility to our Marines and 100% credibility to the Iraqi witnesses, despite the contradictions in their testimony - which you rush to explain away - and despite the fact that the town of Haditha was and is a hotbed of pro-Saddam activity.
233 posted on 05/31/2006 12:36:49 PM PDT by Steve_Seattle
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To: Steve_Seattle
My assessment's based on what's going on at Camp Pendleton--the son of an old friend is a corpsman up there, and he's saying that things are not looking good.
234 posted on 05/31/2006 12:40:08 PM PDT by BeHoldAPaleHorse ( ~()):~)>)
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To: FourtySeven
Glad you concur.

MSM=treasonous jackals.

235 posted on 05/31/2006 12:44:01 PM PDT by verity (The MSM is comprised of useless eaters)
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To: DevSix

How about the youngest ones, the (IIRC) 2 four year olds and the two year old.

What extent was their involvment in this attack on the Marines
would you say ?

Assuming that part of the story is true, and they did exist, and did die in the way it is claimed they died.


236 posted on 05/31/2006 12:45:10 PM PDT by Axlrose
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To: moneypenny
Murtha is NOT a General. His rank of Colonel was obtained after his active duty (total 4 years) while he was in the Reserves and a Congressman at the same time. Murtha was in Vietnam for 1 year where he was decorated for 2 scratches on his face which did not really require medical attention. Calling Murtha a decorated war hero is stretching the truth to the limits.
237 posted on 05/31/2006 12:50:05 PM PDT by AmeriBrit (ILLEGAL IMMIGRATION IS A WEAPON OF MASS DESTRUCTION, IT INCLUDES TERRORIST SLEEPER CELLS!!)
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To: Axlrose
How about the youngest ones, the (IIRC) 2 four year olds and the two year old. What extent was their involvment in this attack on the Marines would you say ? Assuming that part of the story is true, and they did exist, and did die in the way it is claimed they died.

We don't exactly know how young children of those ages died - But I can tell you that if they were killed by small arms fire it was very likely in direct fire from which they were hit. Firing through doorways (if one is thinking they are in danger) is commonplace (as insurgents fire though doorways, walls and floors each and every day at our forces in Iraq).

I can also tell you that it is U.S. Marines and U.S. Soldiers that are dying for these kids and their families each and every day. Some of these very people who won't as much say "boo" regarding a known IED being placed to kill our brave men.

The reality is, in war, people die. Both innocent people and those who deserve it.

Furthermore if these Marines did point blank execute small children they will be punished. If innocent children were killed by accident through indirect fire....then that is simply the ugliness of war.

But what appears clear is that these several children were very aware of a planted IED. They knew where it was and they waited in anticipation (covering her ears) when she knew it was going to go off (by either watching the Marines coming...or by watching the person / detonator of the LOS IED himself/herself).

238 posted on 05/31/2006 12:56:14 PM PDT by SevenMinusOne
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To: Paul Ross
This reporter, Ryan Chilcote, appears to be an exception to the rule of CNN.

I'll tell M.     ;)

239 posted on 05/31/2006 12:57:31 PM PDT by highball (Proud to announce the birth of little Highball, Junior - Feb. 7, 2006!)
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To: SE Mom

"But...if it's true the investigation has been ongoing for awhile now...wouldn't they have informed him sooner? Obviously- the president can't get bogged down in details (unless he's Jimmuh Cahta) but since this incident did involve civilian deaths- wouldn't it be worth a heads- up sooner?"

The reports I have read were that the military did not START the investigation until they were approached by time magazine. Let me say that I AM NOT STATING THIS AS A FACT. But it would explain why the President would have no knowledge. This is the claim for the cover up.


240 posted on 05/31/2006 12:58:45 PM PDT by ktvaughn (I avoid cliches like the plague...)
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