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White House: Haditha details to be public
AP/Yahoo ^ | 5/31/06 | Unknown

Posted on 05/31/2006 6:20:21 AM PDT by Coop

... Snow said that he has been assured by the Pentagon that "all the details" will be made available...

Rep. John Murtha... has said Marines shot and killed unarmed civilians in a taxi at the scene and went into two homes and shot others.

On Tuesday, [Snow] said President Bush learned of the killings only after a reporter from Time magazine asked questions...

Asked when Bush was first briefed about the events in Haditha, an insurgent stronghold in western Iraq, Snow replied Tuesday: "When a Time reporter first made the call."

According to the attorney for one of three Marine Corps officers relieved of command from a Marine battalion are not targets of investigations into whether their troops killed the civilians or tried to cover it up.

Meanwhile, Lance Cpl. James Crossan of North Bend, Wash., who was injured in the roadside bomb attack in Haditha, told a Seattle television station that some of the Marines might have snapped after seeing one of their own killed in action.

"So, I think they were just blinded by hate ... and they just lost control," Crossan told KING-TV, which aired the interview Tuesday.

The targets... are about a dozen enlisted Marines, according to Hackett, a Marine reservist and Iraqi war veteran who represents Kimber... [Hackett] said the highest ranking among those under investigation is a staff sergeant who led the four-vehicle convoy that was hit by the bomb.

Kimber... was relieved of command last month because his subordinates... used profanity and criticized the performance of Iraqi security services during an interview with Britain's Sky News TV...

...Hackett told The Associated Press by telephone. "He's not under investigation for anything related to what has played out in the press." [snip]

(Excerpt) Read more at news.yahoo.com ...


TOPICS: Breaking News; Crime/Corruption; Foreign Affairs; News/Current Events; US: Pennsylvania; War on Terror
KEYWORDS: alleged; crossan; hackett; haditha; iraq; jamescrossan; kimber; marines; massacre; murtha; murthawatch
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To: BeHoldAPaleHorse

Say, I know another rather disgruntled ex-cop who pops around asking silly questions that he knows are false. You wouldn't be in the New York area, would ya Detective?


201 posted on 05/31/2006 11:02:11 AM PDT by Coop (FR = a lotta talk, but little action)
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To: Coop
Dumb question, ex-cop.

There are no dumb questions. There are a lot of dumb answers, and that was one of them.

202 posted on 05/31/2006 11:04:07 AM PDT by BeHoldAPaleHorse ( ~()):~)>)
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To: BeHoldAPaleHorse
There are no dumb questions.

I beg to differ, Sheriff.

203 posted on 05/31/2006 11:05:18 AM PDT by Coop (FR = a lotta talk, but little action)
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To: DevSix
You asserted, as fact, that her parents were actively aiding the terrorists.

Now, there's two ways for you to make that statement:

1. You actually have inside knowledge on this investigation because you have participated in it. In that case, you're just committing a major OPSEC and/or JAGMAN violation.

2. You don't have inside information, you're just making assumptions that may or may not be correct.

Which one?

204 posted on 05/31/2006 11:06:36 AM PDT by BeHoldAPaleHorse ( ~()):~)>)
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To: DevSix
I haven't seen the interview you reference, and I think your extrapolations from it about what everyone allegedly knew are a bit of a stretch. But let's assume that what you are saying is absolutely true - that this 10-year-old girl and everyone in her house knew that some terrorist types were in the village and were planning an attack on US forces.

In your opinion, is this justification for our forces entering the home and putting bullets in their head and chest (assuming those allegations are correct)?

If you do, can you think of a good reason to later claim they were killed by an IED?

205 posted on 05/31/2006 11:07:30 AM PDT by lugsoul (Livin' in fear is just another way of dying before your time. - Mike Cooley)
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To: Just A Nobody
Do you have a link to that report? I read it, but can not find it right now.

Coming right up:

A reporter's shock at the Haditha allegations

206 posted on 05/31/2006 11:21:41 AM PDT by Paul Ross (We cannot be for lawful ordinances and for an alien conspiracy at one and the same moment.-Cicero)
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To: DevSix

I'll look for that CNN video, I haven't seen that one.

Here's a link to the one I did see.
Would you please check it and let me know if it's the same interview?

http://video.msn.com/v/en-gb/v.htm?g=4cb31255-619d-415c-a836-b9cdfcf9fc75


207 posted on 05/31/2006 11:23:40 AM PDT by Velveeta
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To: BeHoldAPaleHorse
I asserted the fact that this young girl openly (and on video) admits she knew an IED was planted and therefore didn't leave for school this morning. She knew there was an IED...if one understands the family structure of Iraqis they would easily know if this child knew of an IED outside their home...Her parents would most certainly know.

Furthermore if one understands the situation on the ground in Haditha it is also very well known that insurgents have found safe havens there - Plain and simple -

Now the MSM has tried to paint a picture over the last week that these victim's were completely innocent and had no reason whatsoever to get caught up in any of this situation.

I am clearly pointing out that is BS. This was a LOS IED (which means it was detonated within a short distance of where it went off and from a "safe zone") - These houses fall clearly into that category.

I now know that a child within these homes openly admits to knowing of said IED! - I also know another child has come up with 3 versions of her own truth -

I furthermore know that Marines are not actively out killing innocent Iraqi's....They are out there saving their lives..and giving theirs ....and/or risking their own lives hundreds of times a week.

Now does that mean a few of these Marines didn't go through the roof after this IED attack? No, it clearly looks as if they did (to the degree they went and was that justified is currently under investigation)....but the notion that these were all innocent victims who had no reason to be in this situation is utter BS! (They clearly knew an IED was planted....which puts them 100% involved).

208 posted on 05/31/2006 11:24:42 AM PDT by SevenMinusOne
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To: Velveeta
No that is not the video CNN World aired (though perhaps the same girl?) - This clearly shows people trying to edit (or telling her to reedit) what she says in her first video interview she gave to some human-rights group (which CNN paid them for). - In this video for CNN she clearly states she wasn't going to school that morning because she "knew a bomb was going to go off". It is during conversation and not as scripted as some of these other video's seem to be. In this video she is just talking and states she wasn't going to school because she knew of a bomb that was going to go off....the Human Rights group simply quickly changes the subject and says afterwords that she must be confused.

Again in this CNN video the reporter then opines that "perhaps it was a premonition"..."or perhaps she is suggesting more..that she knew of the IED beforehand".

Yeah, it was a premonition - Unbelievable that they even suggest such -

209 posted on 05/31/2006 11:33:51 AM PDT by SevenMinusOne
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To: BeHoldAPaleHorse
hmmmmm
210 posted on 05/31/2006 11:34:39 AM PDT by Lead Moderator
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To: Lead Moderator

What about it?


211 posted on 05/31/2006 11:37:41 AM PDT by BeHoldAPaleHorse ( ~()):~)>)
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To: Steve_Seattle

Maybe just a percussion device, to disorient them? Maybe somebody in the room fired a shot? Or yelled something that the marines thought was a command to attack?

Maybe the marines shot up a the level to kill standing combatants, not sitting non-combatants?

Remember, someone else posted here that the reason the Marine's story is doubted is that the dead had gunshot wounds, NOT shrapnel -- so it sounds like it wasn't a grenade that killed them, or someone's story is wrong.


212 posted on 05/31/2006 11:39:58 AM PDT by CharlesWayneCT
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To: lakeman

WOW! Where did you come from... letme guess...could it be du?


213 posted on 05/31/2006 11:40:52 AM PDT by JFC (W, I am with YA)
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To: Lead Moderator
Nah. Poobah and PaleWhiteHorse were on some of the same threads, many times.

Poohbah was not an ex-cop; he was ex-Marine, however.

214 posted on 05/31/2006 11:42:08 AM PDT by sinkspur ( Don Cheech. Vito Corleone would like to meet you......Vito Corleone.....)
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To: sinkspur; Lead Moderator
Is that what he was saying?

Oh, good grief. I've met Poohbah. Agreed with him on a lot of things, but he's WAY too touchy to handle the Internet.

215 posted on 05/31/2006 11:46:04 AM PDT by BeHoldAPaleHorse ( ~()):~)>)
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To: Vn_survivor_67-68; finnman69
reading it carefully, I think the writer took careful aim to make Tonys answer on tuesday appear to mean that Bush just learned of it on tuesday, WHICH CAN'T POSSIBLY BE TRUE UNLESS BUSH DOESN'T WATCH TEEVEE.

What's that great line from Goldeneye?

"Unlike the Americans, we prefer not to get our bad news from CNN."

216 posted on 05/31/2006 11:46:41 AM PDT by highball (Proud to announce the birth of little Highball, Junior - Feb. 7, 2006!)
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To: Vn_survivor_67-68

If Bush doesn't watch TV, he's probably smarter than most folks...


217 posted on 05/31/2006 11:47:39 AM PDT by BeHoldAPaleHorse ( ~()):~)>)
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To: BeHoldAPaleHorse
I believe that's what he/she was saying.

I screwed up your name, sorry about that.

218 posted on 05/31/2006 11:48:25 AM PDT by sinkspur ( Don Cheech. Vito Corleone would like to meet you......Vito Corleone.....)
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To: Coop
No matter what happened in Haditha - Murtha's still a coward


219 posted on 05/31/2006 11:51:03 AM PDT by george76 (Ward Churchill : Fake Indian, Fake Scholarship, and Fake Art)
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To: Lead Moderator; BeHoldAPaleHorse
Almost 2,000 replies. Impressive, especially for an opus.

Or should I say "alleged" opus?

I personally think BeHold reminds me of another feller, kinda like Lenny from Law & Order, but without the tact. :-p

220 posted on 05/31/2006 11:53:24 AM PDT by Coop (FR = a lotta talk, but little action)
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