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Lessons from the Immigration War(Cal Thomas)
Real Clear Politics ^ | May 30, 2006 | Cal Thomas

Posted on 05/30/2006 8:09:56 AM PDT by kellynla

The war now being waged in Congress over illegal immigration is mostly about which philosophy will prevail in the Republican Party. Will it be the conservative wing that brought the GOP to power after years of wandering in the political wilderness as a minority party, or will it be the moderate-liberal wing that became comfortable in the wilderness?

It is no secret that the Rockefeller wing of the Republican Party (named after the late New York governor and vice president Nelson Rockefeller) has joined forces with liberal Democrats and even conservative (in name only) Republicans to weaken the conservative wing of the GOP.

The New York Times' Jim Rutenberg wrote an "analysis" about the titanic struggle between the party's two wings on that newspaper's front page on May 26. In it, Rutenberg ponders, "what strain of conservatism the Republican Party carries into the midterm elections and beyond. Will it be the compassionate brand Mr. Bush considers crucial to the party's future, in this case by signaling support for a provision in the Senate bill that would give most illegal immigrants an opportunity to become legal? Or will it be the more doctrinaire variety embraced by much of Mr. Bush's party in the House, one that shuns anything that smacks of amnesty for illegal immigrants and seeks to criminalize them further?"

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TOPICS: Business/Economy; Constitution/Conservatism; Crime/Corruption; Culture/Society; Editorial; Foreign Affairs; Government
KEYWORDS: aliens; calthomas; gop; hr4437; illegalimmigration; illegals; immigrantlist; immigration; rinos
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To: Liz
The Supreme Court must reinterpret the law before the guests workers start arriving.

Actually, it already has interpreted the applicable provision in the Constitution, did it in the late 19th century. I wish my memory were better and that I could quote the case, but the essential part is that it did NOT hold that children born in this country were automatically citizens.

Why this case is not brought up to squash these misstatements that appear regularly in the press is beyond me.

21 posted on 05/30/2006 9:48:42 AM PDT by OldPossum
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To: OldPossum

Not surpising---there is no US law allowed to stand in the way of the invaders.


This makes it even more imperative to boot them out---our very freedoms and our fragile government----which is based on the rule of law---are at stake.


Either we act, or we can expect the invaders patrolling our streets in camouflage, shoulder holsters and ammo straps to make sure we stay in line while they get all the gov't freebies.



22 posted on 05/30/2006 10:04:12 AM PDT by Liz (The US Constitution is intended to protect the people from the government.)
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To: Liz
We see here in the Senate immigration bill what happens when an arrogant gov't assumes too much power.

It has gone completely unnoticed that the Constitution is intended to protect the people from the government. The gov't acts like it is the reverse equation.

Another excellent point that most of us conservatives know but that gets lost in the shuffle as we fight individual incursions by the left.

Better historians than I can probably bring up other examples but I see this transition beginning in the 1850s leading to its climax in the Civil War. (Interestingly, the Marx and Engels Communist Manifesto was published in 1848.) The Constitution clearly gave the states the right to secede. Lincoln and his Republican Party denied that.

The move away from the Constitution continued with the influence of the Communists in the Wilson and FDR administrations with Hoover adding his part in between with the beginning of farm subsidies.

We pretty well know the story from there with the left being far more successful than the conservatives in doing as you say, reversing the intent of the Constitution. Ben Franklin was very astute in his reply to the query of what the Constitutional Convention had come up with, "A Republic, if we can keep it."

An open society that gives nearly complete free rein to the individual is very vulnerable to subversion, usually in the form of seduction. By now we have allowed ourselves to be lured so far down the path of temptation that getting back is going to be difficult and probably will require some form of shock therapy. I expect it soon.

This immigration thing will destroy the Republican Party. The Republican Party was the best vehicle for conservatism but, alas, some conservatives seem as prone to seduction as Franklin warned. After that, the Democrats will attempt an iron hand rule, as they always do, with the iron fist being concealed by the glove of the MSM. That is when the moment of truth will arrive.

23 posted on 05/30/2006 10:25:44 AM PDT by Mind-numbed Robot (Not all that needs to be done, needs to be done by the government.)
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ping


24 posted on 05/30/2006 10:37:07 AM PDT by gubamyster
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To: kellynla

Excellent article!


25 posted on 05/30/2006 10:50:37 AM PDT by Gritty (This Senate Immigration Bill constitutes treachery against U.S. sovereignty - Charles Norwood, R-Ga.)
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To: kellynla

Truer words were never spoken.

Also:

"If they have forgotten that, they deserve the cliff and the right should give them a push."


26 posted on 05/30/2006 10:51:22 AM PDT by ZULU (Non nobis, non nobis, Domine, sed nomini tuo da gloriam. God, guts, and guns made America great.)
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To: ZULU

PUSH!


27 posted on 05/30/2006 10:53:35 AM PDT by Small-L (I love my country, but I despise the politicians who run (ruin) it.)
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To: RatRipper

Hope, pray, and keep pounding them with letters, e-mails and phone calls.

If they ignore you - remember in November and either vote third party or stay home.

Unless the John McCains, Bill Frists, Chukie Hegels and Rudy Giulianis of the Republican Party hear the Right roar, they will continue behaving like Democrats.

God bless Cal Thomas.


28 posted on 05/30/2006 10:54:38 AM PDT by ZULU (Non nobis, non nobis, Domine, sed nomini tuo da gloriam. God, guts, and guns made America great.)
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To: Mind-numbed Robot; Doc Hunter; stephenjohnbanker

A major historic political realignment is now commencing due to politicians' foolish attempts to impose accursed amnesty on Americans.

Politicans are still in the Dem/liberal vs Repub/conservative mode when in fact anti-amnesty is a consensus issue that cuts across the entire political spectrum.

The voters are lining up and only the most astute politicians will survive the fallout in the short run.

In the long run, the defining issues will shakeout in 2008.


29 posted on 05/30/2006 11:01:49 AM PDT by Liz (The US Constitution is intended to protect the people from the government.)
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To: kellynla
[ Lessons from the Immigration War ]

Excellent point.. Immigration War.. because it is..
It is a WAR... And Congress has become very very FRENCH..

AMNESTY in any form however slight is SURRENDER...
SURRENDER.. Where are Americans that are NOT FRENCH?..

They are depending on the "VOTE"..
"Its not who votes, Its who COUNTS the votes" Stalin..

Massive democrat voter fraud has been NORMAL for many years.. and republican officials have cared less, AND STILL CARE LESS.. Whats LEGAL is entirely depending on WHO YOU ARE.. Affirmative Legality.. i.e. Sandy Burgular, Bill Clinton, Illegal and LEGAL aliens, Fetus's, and many many more affirmatively legal instances..

HOW can 20 million plus brand new democrats be a GOOD THING?.. OR are they "fulcrum" that forces the political Coup D'etat?...

30 posted on 05/30/2006 11:08:00 AM PDT by hosepipe (CAUTION: This propaganda is laced with hyperbole..)
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To: Liz
"It has gone completely unnoticed that the Constitution is intended to protect the people from the government. The gov't acts like it is the reverse equation."

That's because of those corrupt middlemen - you know - our representatives.

31 posted on 05/30/2006 11:39:30 AM PDT by sageb1 (This is the Final Crusade. There are only 2 sides. Pick one.)
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To: hosepipe
How will the illegals deal with registering with the selective service before becoming citzens? As a part of that readiness, virtually all men in the U.S. are required to register with Selective Service within 30 days of their 18th birthday. Men must be registered to be in compliance with federal law and stay eligible for student loans and grants, government jobs, job training, all security background clearances, and U.S. citizenship for immigrants.
32 posted on 05/30/2006 11:43:07 AM PDT by JoanneSD
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To: JoanneSD
[ How will the illegals deal with registering with the selective service before becoming citizens? ]

They won't.. They WILL however register to VOTE.. as illegal insurgent groups have honestly admitted.. All of the 20+ million?.. No way.. But a portion of them will.. A potion of them have ALREADY BEEN VOTING.. 10% of 20 million is 2 million votes.. democrat votes.. Bush barely won in 2004 by close to that amount of votes.. No doubt it could be MORE than 10%(15%,20%) registered illegal and legal insurgent votes..

WILL change the voting demographics in this country's elections for the foreseeable future.. READ, more democrats, LESS republicans.. Federally and in some places locally..

The selective service question is non sense.. an obscure factoid.. politically..

33 posted on 05/30/2006 12:05:30 PM PDT by hosepipe (CAUTION: This propaganda is laced with hyperbole..)
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To: kellynla
Will it be the conservative wing that brought the GOP to power after years of wandering in the political wilderness as a minority party, or will it be the moderate-liberal wing that became comfortable in the wilderness?

Herein lies the rub - the RINOs/moderates/liberals are perfectly happy to be in the minority, because they generally agree with Dem liberals. They don't care if the GOP loses control, because they'll actually have more power with the Dems in charge than they do with a generally conservative GOP in charge. Of course, this is bad for America, because the size of government will expand exponentially with the Dem/RINO establishment in charge again.

34 posted on 05/30/2006 1:34:26 PM PDT by Major Matt Mason (www.hockeysfuture.com)
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To: Liz; All

""In the long run, the defining issues will shakeout in 2008. ""

2 4 6 8 Broom the bums in 2008!!


35 posted on 05/30/2006 1:58:37 PM PDT by stephenjohnbanker
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To: canuck_conservative
Nelson Rockefeller's father co-founded the Council of Foreign Relations (CFR), whose admitted goal is the replacement of the US Constitution by One World Government.

Do you have a link on that?

36 posted on 05/30/2006 3:21:19 PM PDT by neverdem (May you be in heaven a half hour before the devil knows that you're dead.)
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To: kellynla

Bump!


37 posted on 05/30/2006 7:43:41 PM PDT by antceecee (Hey AG Gonzales! ENFORCE IMMIGRATION LAWS NOW!!!)
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To: neverdem

You might find this interesting reading:

http://www.cfr.org/content/publications/attachments/NorthAmerica_TF_final.pdf


38 posted on 05/30/2006 7:47:07 PM PDT by antceecee (Hey AG Gonzales! ENFORCE IMMIGRATION LAWS NOW!!!)
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To: stopem

"They have granted blanket amnesty for citizens of foreign nations against tax fraud, Social Security fraud, Medicare fraud, identity fraud, and bank fraud - all crimes for which there is no forgiveness or mercy for citizens of the United States."

This is exactly why tempers are flaring . . . . we, the tax-paying, law-abiding citizens have been crapped on . . . even as we watch those who were supposed to represent us, coddle the law breaking invaders.

Our government turned on us!

az

39 posted on 05/30/2006 7:58:05 PM PDT by Arizona (If the President doesn't believe fences work, why does he have one around the White House?)
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To: Soul Seeker
Called out Barnes and Kristol

I agreed with Rush 1000% today on Barnes and Kristol. I watched Beltway Boys Saturday evening and couldn't believe my ears. They are totally out of touch; if that is what is going on inside the Beltway we're in real trouble as a country -- and Kristol calling us conservatives yahoo's...... I love to wipe the s-eating grin off his smarmy face,

40 posted on 05/30/2006 9:57:11 PM PDT by Arizona Carolyn
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