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On a Marine Base, Disbelief Over Charges
New York Times ^ | May 29, 2006 | Carolyn Marshall

Posted on 05/30/2006 6:00:23 AM PDT by Peach

CAMP PENDLETON, Calif., May 29 — In this "company town" where everything and everyone caters to the well-being of the Marine Corps, there is no shortage of people, both military and civilian, who are willing to give the benefit of the doubt to the troops accused of unjustified killings last November in Haditha, Iraq.

Relatives and neighbors gathered near the shrouded bodies of civilians said to have been killed by marines in Haditha, Iraq, in November.

http://www.nytimes.com/2006/05/30/world/middleeast/30voices.html?_r=1&oref=slogin

(Excerpt) Read more at nytimes.com ...


TOPICS: Extended News; Foreign Affairs; Government; Miscellaneous; News/Current Events
KEYWORDS: anamericansoldier; haditha; marines; murthawatch
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To: Coop

It is not a matter of believing or disbelieving anything at this point. The investigation is apparently exhaustive, so in theory, we'll know more soon.

But just like the Rodney King incident, there was FAR more than to the story than what the MSM and Jesse Jackson had to say about it. I do not trust the MSM as far as I can throw them, nor do I trust Murtha. I do however, trust in the average Marine.


181 posted on 05/30/2006 8:28:10 AM PDT by pissant
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To: Coop
The facts and comments I've posted run rings around your incessant bleating.

Coop, this whole thing started when I suggested that Irey tack away from this issue and focus elsewhere, in preparation for the possibility that Murtha could spin this to his advantage.

I suggested that Irey is a one-trick pony. It looks like you are also a one-trick pony, Coop.

And I've yet to see a fact from you, Coop. Just alot of crapola. And now you are calling in your "reinforcements". How very silly.

182 posted on 05/30/2006 8:28:28 AM PDT by ContemptofCourt
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To: LS
well Laura may have her "sources" but Laura's primary mission is her own ratings and a CYA mentality that infects most MSM including so called conservative MSM.

My money and soul stays firmly in place with the heroes the Marines. Why would I believe stuff printed in the NYSlimes when most of it is lies and propaganda for the benefit of the democraps and internationalist Socialist third way cabal?
183 posted on 05/30/2006 8:28:34 AM PDT by eleni121 ('Thou hast conquered, O Galilean!' (Julian the Apostate))
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To: Coop

Actually, I did. I searched out her site on the web. Last week I gave to J.D. Hayworth and Ken Blackwell. She is next on my list. But you don't do her any favors.


184 posted on 05/30/2006 8:28:43 AM PDT by LS
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To: F.J. Mitchell
That and outlawing flakjackets and helmets.

That wouldn't surprise me in the slightest if they did. Par for the course where they're concerned. Bastards...pardon my french.

185 posted on 05/30/2006 8:29:03 AM PDT by processing please hold (If you can't stand behind our military, stand in front of them.)
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To: Peach

You're Pantano?


186 posted on 05/30/2006 8:29:20 AM PDT by BeHoldAPaleHorse ( ~()):~)>)
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To: eleni121

Ok. You're welcome to whatever information you trust. Personally, I think she knows what she's talking about.


187 posted on 05/30/2006 8:29:25 AM PDT by LS
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To: mel

I should have that post #5 removed, Mel, because it looks like I was the Marine charged with premeditated murder.

Those are the words of the Marine who was charged with murder (and found innocent) and his statement starts with "I was charged...".

But that isn't me (Peach); it just wasn't a clear post. And this one isn't looking any more clear either. LOL


188 posted on 05/30/2006 8:29:58 AM PDT by Peach (If you can't stand behind our military, stand in front of them.)
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To: Coop

One shill, reporting for duty!

LOL!!


189 posted on 05/30/2006 8:30:00 AM PDT by StarCMC (Proud member of ProudPatriots.org--supporting smart troops like CMS and Old Sarge since Nov. 4, 2004)
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To: LS

Again, vamoose LS, worry and "honor" to someone else.

I'm praying and supporting all of our US Marines, their families, our country and our President, no matter what.


190 posted on 05/30/2006 8:30:06 AM PDT by roses of sharon
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To: roses of sharon

Again, you vamoose. You have no clue.


191 posted on 05/30/2006 8:30:50 AM PDT by LS
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To: BeHoldAPaleHorse

No, I am not Pantano.

Those were his words from his excellent letter to the editor in the Washington Post; his letter was directed at Murtha.


192 posted on 05/30/2006 8:32:18 AM PDT by Peach (If you can't stand behind our military, stand in front of them.)
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To: Peach

I hope you at least got an apology. Congratulations on being cleared and thank you for your service to my country- I want you to know that I for one greatly appreciate what you did.


193 posted on 05/30/2006 8:33:20 AM PDT by MissEdie
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To: LS

Most of the time she's fun to listen to...and spot on. On this however, (and I have not heard the full rendering of what she said)...I do not rush to judgment as you may have done.


194 posted on 05/30/2006 8:34:05 AM PDT by eleni121 ('Thou hast conquered, O Galilean!' (Julian the Apostate))
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To: Coop
Your question has already been answered by me on many Murtha threads. I don't like your implication.

Which means I struck a nerve: good. You're a good man, coop -- I don't doubt that you know what's right. The danger, though, is that your justified disdain for Jack Murtha will cause you to defend where you shouldn't. I'm certainly not immune -- I do it far too often.

195 posted on 05/30/2006 8:34:04 AM PDT by r9etb
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To: ContemptofCourt; AuH2ORepublican
And I've yet to see a fact from you, Coop.

That I believe. Because you refuse to do even the most basic research. For example, accusing me of not having data to support Bush taking 49% in PA-12. When all the time it's linked to my home page! :-D Oopsie, Counselor!

http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/1601047/posts?page=80#80

And AuH2O's previous post, pulled due to formatting problems, is here (I saved it. How about that?!?):

AuH2O:My source for stating that Kerry carried Murtha's PA-12 by only 51%-49% is Michael Barone's 2006 Almanac of American Politics. Barone reported that Kerry got 141,046 votes to President Bush's 133,088 in 2004; I just did the math, and it would give President Bush 48.55% (rounded up to 49%) to Kerry's 51.45% (rounded down to 51%).

Barone got his numbers from Polidata, which apparently was unable to compute the number of votes obtained in the district by third-party candidates, but it was certainly more than 0, so the CD's percentages for both Kerry and Bush are a bit inflated.

Third-party candidates got 0.65% in PA in 2004, and assuming that they got the same percentage in the PA-12, they would have gotten 1,801 votes there, increasing the total votes cast to 275,935. Thus, under such an assumption, President Bush actually got 48.23% (rounded down to 48%) while Kerry got 51.12% (rounded down to 51%).

Here's the page of Barone's Almanac that covers the PA-12, with the presidential info on the bottom of the page (I hope this works)

Like taking candy from a baby. Next blowhard attorney!

196 posted on 05/30/2006 8:34:41 AM PDT by Coop (FR = a lotta talk, but little action)
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To: Peach

Poor you. Looks like many are thinking you are Pantano.


197 posted on 05/30/2006 8:35:30 AM PDT by processing please hold (If you can't stand behind our military, stand in front of them.)
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To: Coop

Coop, I don't do the whole looking at people's homepages game. If you had the source, then why play games and not post the link?


198 posted on 05/30/2006 8:37:47 AM PDT by ContemptofCourt
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To: LS
Good morning.
"It is wiser to prepare than to ignore."

It's even wiser to avoid judging before the facts are in.

I don't place any faith in any pundit, conservative or not.

If what you are saying is correct, Laura is saying that the situation is going to be bad, but is not saying that it is necessarily going to be bad because the Marines are guilty.

This is being driven by the MSM and the Left. If Laura Ingram is buying into it without knowing the facts, she is shilling for them.

Michael Frazier
199 posted on 05/30/2006 8:37:54 AM PDT by brazzaville (no surrender no retreat, well, maybe retreat's ok)
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To: LS

The mood at Camp Pendleton is not good--word on the street (what Marines call "scuttlebutt") is that the investigation is taking so long because a few officers may be getting hammered as well.


200 posted on 05/30/2006 8:38:08 AM PDT by BeHoldAPaleHorse ( ~()):~)>)
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