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Science ability drops in U.S. high schools
International Herald Tribune ^ | May 25, 2006 | Sam Dillon

Posted on 05/28/2006 6:31:38 AM PDT by billorites

The first science test administered in five years across the United States shows that achievement among high school seniors has declined across the past decade, even as scores in science rose among fourth-graders and held steady among eighth-graders, the U.S. Department of Education has reported.

The falling average science test scores among high school students, announced Wednesday, appeared certain to increase anxiety about American academic competitiveness and to add new urgency to calls from President George W. Bush, governors and philanthropists like Bill Gates for an overhaul of American high schools.

The drop in science proficiency appeared to reflect a broader trend in which some academic gains made in elementary grades and middle school have been seen to fade during the high school years. The science results come from the National Assessment of Educational Progress, a comprehensive examination administered in early 2005 by the Department of Education to more than 300,000 students in all 50 states, the District of Columbia, and on U.S. military bases around the world.

"Our fourth-graders are doing better - that's the good news," said Darvin Winick, chairman of the bipartisan body set up by Congress to oversee the test. "But the 12th-grade results are distressing, there's no other way to slice it."

The science test, which was administered during the first months of 2005, covered the earth, physical and life sciences, and was last given in 2000 and in 1996. The test administrators translate scores into three achievement levels: advanced, proficient and basic.

On the most recent test, 68 percent of fourth-graders achieved at or above the basic level, compared to 63 percent on the 2000 and 1996 tests.

The rising science achievement among fourth graders mirrored similar trends on nationwide reading and math tests released last fall. In interviews...

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KEYWORDS: dumbingdownwithid; education; hseducation; idcomeshometoroost; idfordummies; idjunkscience; science; scienceeducation; thankyoucreationists; theocratsinclassroom
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1 posted on 05/28/2006 6:31:41 AM PDT by billorites
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To: billorites

Duh,,...like no kidding. Thanks to the politically correct movement, "no child left behind", don't hurt anyone's "self esteem", etc. It's a wonder they can add 2 + 2.


2 posted on 05/28/2006 6:42:43 AM PDT by garyhope
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To: billorites


Perhaps the MOST serious problem is our failure to properly educate the technocrats necessary to compete with an emerging Asia. Some U.S. kids ARE being trained in those areas – in HOME and CHURCH schools, NOT in government schools.

Thanks to the decades long “feel-good” agenda of the NEA and the “educrats” at the Department of Education, most government school kids spend hours that SHOULD be devoted to the physical sciences and math studying politically correct self-awareness and sensitivity training. I wonder how many Chinese or Indian kids are doing that?

The good news is that at least OUR kids may still feel good about themselves --standing in the unemployment line.


3 posted on 05/28/2006 6:44:04 AM PDT by Dick Bachert
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To: garyhope

Not true I went to public school and I know 2+2-eleventeen.


4 posted on 05/28/2006 6:44:55 AM PDT by Vaduz (and just think how clean the cities would become again.)
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To: billorites

High school is chiefly a dating service. The only way we can seriously overhaul the system is to institute separate schools for boys and girls. Their brains in our over-sexualized society have relocated from their heads to their crotches, and that's all most of them think about, usually with disasterous results.


5 posted on 05/28/2006 6:47:15 AM PDT by kittymyrib
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To: billorites
We also need some large technological goal.

People, even around here, are so quick to knock Bush for being a big spending idiot when he brings up things like the space program and a moon base and going to mars.

What price do you put on capturing the imagination and inspiring a generation of people (esp kids) to be interested in science and math and technology? It is no coincidence that the "information age" of computers and microchips followed the fruits of the 'space race' and the decades of heart-felt, dedicated serious hard work it 'spidered out' to every individual who watched.

Stunningly, I've found many put it at zero (though alot are just ignorant of that entire aspect/benefit)
6 posted on 05/28/2006 6:49:08 AM PDT by FreedomNeocon (Better to take what they can throw at us now,rather than take what they promise to throw at us later)
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To: Dick Bachert

What Chinese or Indian schools would put up with the lack of discipline, truancy, sex and gang violence? And why do we allow it?


7 posted on 05/28/2006 6:49:24 AM PDT by ladyjane
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To: garyhope

They seem to spend 2/3rds of their time on "Recycling" and "Environmental Science".


8 posted on 05/28/2006 6:51:20 AM PDT by Kozak (Anti Shahada: " There is no God named Allah, and Muhammed is his False Prophet")
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To: Dick Bachert
The good news is that at least OUR kids may still feel good about themselves --standing in the unemployment line.

I know you're being sarcastic, but I have to disagree. Schools are teaching kids that there's no such thing as values, good or bad. Feeling good about one's self depends on accomplishment. If there's no standard, there's no accomplishment.
I think that's why kids are turning to substance abuse. Their heads are empty vessels, and drugs shrink the vessel so they don't feel so empty.
9 posted on 05/28/2006 6:54:19 AM PDT by wolfpat (To connect the dots, you have to collect the dots.)
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To: kittymyrib
High school is chiefly a dating service.

If I had gone to a male-only high school I'd probably have been a Rhodes scholar.

10 posted on 05/28/2006 6:58:02 AM PDT by Mr Ramsbotham (My ding-dong wasn't big enough, so I cut it off.)
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To: billorites

Who has time for science when the kids have to be taught tha queer is normal and that conservatism and capitalism are evil?


11 posted on 05/28/2006 7:01:16 AM PDT by JimRed ("Hey, hey, Teddy K., how many girls did you drown today?" (Hello, I'm a TAGLINE virus. Please help m)
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To: billorites; wolfpat

My daughter is a public high school teacher and she has a strong set of moral values but high school is a bit too late for trying to get those values across to kids. Teaching morality is not her job anyway, nor should it be, that's the parents job.

Last year she had four 16 year old girls in one class who were pregnant, one of whom for the second time. Kids fall asleep in class, some don't bother to show up at all. She trys to schedule conferences with a parent and the parent doesn't show, many times there's only one parent in the home.

I agree that there's a lot wrong with public schools though and a lack of caring parents is the root of the problem. If parents cared enough they would demand change and they would be involved in their children's lives.

The best thing for parents who are at all able for the present time is to get their kids out of public education because that demand from the general public is nowhere in sight.


12 posted on 05/28/2006 7:10:01 AM PDT by Graybeard58 (Remember and pray for Sgt. Matt Maupin - MIA/POW- Iraq since 04/09/04)
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To: kittymyrib
Kids are very good at putting up a front for their parents until HS. I have observed sweet, obedient kids going from 8th grade with all sorts of hopes and dreams articulated to freshmen who are argumentative, deceptive and truculent within six months of being in HS. It is difficult to assign it to just hormones, as I think those are operative a year or so before HS.

I think they are getting all sorts of support in HS from teachers to openly rebel against everything they have been taught until then.

I think the activist teachers use their influence to accelerate this and the extreme peer pressure works in their favor.. It used to be more underground, IMO. Now, it seems very open and the parents seem shell shocked by this, as it really does seem to happen overnight.

I recall back in the day that each Spring a group of popular girls from the local Catholic HS would purposely do something outrageous, usually stripping down on the street in front of the boy's HS to bikinis worn under their uniforms, in order to be expelled and sent de facto to the public HS. Once there, they proceeded to become totally out of control and this was in the late 50s-early 60s when society was much less sexualized and the average teacher was very straight laced.

Sitting here trying to remember, it seems this was almost always girls, BTW. There were out of control boys, but they ended up being expelled from public HS and sent to the Manual Training school if they avoided jail or the military alternative.

Just observing, here. I have pretty much given up thinking discipline can be imposed on top of whatever else has been taught, formally or informally by age 12. I have no ideas except to keep kids out of these places as long as possible.

I used to really defend the idea of public education. Now, I think it is useless and dangerous.
13 posted on 05/28/2006 7:11:38 AM PDT by reformedliberal
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To: billorites

None of this would be the case if religious fanatics hadn't made intelligent design part of the curriculum. < /sarcasm>


14 posted on 05/28/2006 7:18:53 AM PDT by Tribune7
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To: ladyjane

IF your question is NOT a purely rhetorical one, I think I can provide an answer:

The master plan to destroy national sovereignty and merge the nations of the world into the elitist plan for a One-World system (now well under way with our amigos to the south -- thank you Bush 41, Clinton and Bush 43!) requires that those nations be approximately economically leveled. One excellent way to do that is to abandon the training in the sciences that gave America the high standard of living so resented by the rest of the world.

A secondary benefit for the elites here is that a nation of citizens ignorant of the scientific method are far more easily "herded" to where the political ruling class elites wish them to go than one consisting of individuals equipped with critical thinking skills.

Another area of current schooling now under assault is early American history. Many schools now completely ignore that history before the War Between the States. As far as most new school kids know, there was no American Revolution. Can you think of the benefits THIS might have for those who would turn this nation into some version of Animal Farm where, of course, SOME would be more equal than others?

Bingo!!!!

And the chaos to which you refer plays well into the plan as it ultimately provides those in charge an opportunity to "crack down," pro bono publico, of course. Do a search on "Hegelian Dialectic" for more info on that.

I anticipate -- and welcome -- a spirited argument on any or all the statements above.

THIS grandfather of 6 would like nothing more -- for them --than to be proven wrong.


15 posted on 05/28/2006 7:20:29 AM PDT by Dick Bachert
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To: billorites
Ok, let's see, 55 years ago(actually even back further than that but we will stick with 55 years ago)our schools produced well edcuated young men and women, we didn't have a 30 percent drop out rate and the sciences were doing well. We changed the way we teach and started spending more and more on new ways to teach, becoming more and more liberal as we let the liberals take over the schools.

Now, 55 years later our children are doing terrible, we spend more per child than we ever have before, even taking inflation into account, proof positive that the liberal way of teaching and running the schools sucks and doesn't work.

So, are we rushing to return to the old ways, actually teaching the children what they are supposed to know instead of indocitrinating them?

No, we go right on pouring more money into the schools, the actual money spent on students is a misnomer because the money isn't spent on students it is spent on administrative personel.

We need to take back our public schools and start teaching our children, get them out of public schools if we have to. The socialist leaders of this country want your children to grow up stupid, this makes it easier for them to manipulate and subvert them. Wise up people, you need to act, and if you think it is just the Dems doing this, think again.

16 posted on 05/28/2006 7:22:18 AM PDT by calex59 (No country can survive multiculturalism. Dual cultures don't mix, history has taught us that!)
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To: kittymyrib

"separate schools for boys and girls. "

And maybe school uniforms with waists and belts so their pants and skirts aren't dragging the ground and falling off their butts.


17 posted on 05/28/2006 7:23:17 AM PDT by garyhope
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To: kittymyrib

"High school is chiefly a dating service."

Was gonna say something about teachers....

But seriously, how has that changed in the last 50 years?

Use to be able to drop out at 16, get a job, etc...


18 posted on 05/28/2006 7:24:26 AM PDT by dakine
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To: billorites


Sorry folks, but it doesn't take a lot of science background to go on to colledge with the ultimate goal
of going to Law School or Business School. If they have
good math skill's and a command of the English language (not to mention Mandrin), they'll do just fine.


19 posted on 05/28/2006 7:30:00 AM PDT by indthkr
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To: Dick Bachert

The difference between the American culture and the Asian culture is the systematic exclusion of boys in the education system. American males are being forced out of every aspect of advancement, and they are being relegated to the sidelines in our ongoing "reshuffling of the deck", forced upon us by the feminists. The sickness of feminism, socialism, and homosexual agenda will be the death of our American culture and it's shining achievements. We are going to all end up being equal in the bottom of the barrel.

Best example: Larry Summers, former Harvard Dean, forced out for daring to tell the truth.


20 posted on 05/28/2006 7:35:46 AM PDT by ishabibble
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