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Gay rights rally in Moscow ends violently
CBC news ^

Posted on 05/27/2006 3:27:41 PM PDT by kronos77

"We are conducting a peaceful action. We want to show that we have the same rights as other citizens," Alexeyev told a news conference a few hours before events turned violent.

The crowd opposed to gay rights and the rally included women who held up religious icons. They were joined by men in Cossack traditional dress — white sheepskin hats and black-and-red tunics.

Police quickly moved in as the first half-dozen rally participants arrived carrying flowers. They were joined by about 100 religious and nationalist extremists who kicked and punched some of the activists.

As Volker Beck, a Green member of Germany's national parliament, was giving a TV interview, about 20 nationalist youths surrounded him and punched him in his face, bloodying his nose.

(Excerpt) Read more at cbc.ca ...


TOPICS: Foreign Affairs; Philosophy; Russia
KEYWORDS: aids; christians; disease; fagots; fags; gay; homosexualagenda; homosexuality; ortodoxy; perverts; pervision; queers; russia; twisted
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To: Junior

Is it live and let live when those with the homosexual agenda come to my son's school and try to get their propaganda shoved down our throats? I have no problem with gays doing whatever they want to do behind closed doors. The problem I have is when they start trying to use the Government at all levels to brainwash my family. Or when they rely on a select few judges to short circuit the will of the electorate.


81 posted on 05/28/2006 3:10:33 PM PDT by rbg81
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To: rbg81

So, you're saying these gay guys in Russia have personally done all these things to you and yours and it is all right to beat them to bloody pulps because of that? Wouldn't it be more just to go after those folks specifically responsible for the injustices against you? Why do you lump all gay folks into the same basket?


82 posted on 05/28/2006 4:09:19 PM PDT by Junior (Identical fecal matter, alternate diurnal period)
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To: Junior

No, I'm theorizing the Russians look at how homosexual agenda has come to dominate the West and have decided to stop it before it infects them as well. More power to 'em.


83 posted on 05/28/2006 4:15:03 PM PDT by rbg81
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To: Junior

BTW--I don't like to see people getting roughed up any more than you do. But, compared to the long term damage society is/will suffer due to the homosexual agenda, a few black eyes and blood noses is inconsequential.


84 posted on 05/28/2006 4:18:28 PM PDT by rbg81
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To: GSlob; Zeroisanumber; NavySon
The activists had planned to lay flowers at the Tomb of the Unknown Soldier, a symbol of the Second World War struggle against fascism and one of Russia's most revered places.
The activists said they planned the event as a symbolic protest to equate the struggle for gay rights with the struggle against fascism in the Second World War.


One would think you would understand why normal people would get angered by the sight of homos desecrating the grave of a war hero for their own political purposes. This is one of the most hallowed places in Russia.
85 posted on 05/28/2006 4:23:04 PM PDT by GarySpFc (Jesus on Immigration, John 10:1)
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To: rbg81
But, compared to the long term damage society is/will suffer due to the homosexual agenda, a few black eyes and blood noses is inconsequential.

Outside of a bar, I've never encountered a problem that I could just punch away. In this case doing so would probably hurt more than it helps.

86 posted on 05/28/2006 4:34:40 PM PDT by Zeroisanumber
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To: GarySpFc
One would think you would understand why normal people would get angered by the sight of homos desecrating the grave of a war hero for their own political purposes. This is one of the most hallowed places in Russia.

If that's the standard that we're going to go by, then one would think that Fred Phelps and his little crew of mutants would have been beaten to death by irate veterans long ago. But they haven't been, and we don't because we understand that the rule of law is more important than our hatred for Phelps.

What happened in Moscow was a crime, and however you feel about the gays, you know that that's the truth.

It's bad for the gays when that stuff happens, but it's worse for Russia.

87 posted on 05/28/2006 4:39:33 PM PDT by Zeroisanumber
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To: Zeroisanumber
What happened in Moscow was a crime, and however you feel about the gays, you know that that's the truth.

Apparently it wasn't a crime in Russia. I didn't see any mention of any Cossack being arrested or charged with a crime. In fact, if you read the entire article you will see that it was the sodomite demonstrators who were breaking the law. The city authorities had refused to give them a permit to demonstrate, so their little look-at-ME-ME-ME-ME-ME routine was illegal to begin with.

OK, it wasn't the place of the Cossacks to enforce the law against demonstrating without permission. But the police had every right, a duty in fact, to enforce the law. And with force if necessary.

88 posted on 05/28/2006 5:23:18 PM PDT by epow (Outside of a dog a book is man's best friend, inside a dog it's too dark to read a book, Groucho)
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To: rbg81
So, even if the individuals in question don't have anything to do with promoting a "homosexual agenda" it's all right to bloody their noses and blacken their eyes because something other homosexuals push might damage society?

Dear God, I hope no one ever lumps you into some all-encompassing group and punishes you based on what your compatriates might do.

89 posted on 05/28/2006 5:48:44 PM PDT by Junior (Identical fecal matter, alternate diurnal period)
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To: Zeroisanumber
What happened in Moscow was a crime, and however you feel about the gays, you know that that's the truth.
It's bad for the gays when that stuff happens, but it's worse for Russia.


Oh nonsense! The gays were forbidden by law to march, because the government knew it would cause trouble. They marched anyway. Their behavior was equivalent to raping 5 year old girls, and the public was outraged. Apparently you are the proverbial frog in the boiling pot, and society has changed your values.
90 posted on 05/28/2006 5:53:26 PM PDT by GarySpFc (Jesus on Immigration, John 10:1)
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To: Junior

Might do? Gee, the gays have been shoving their lifestyle down everyone's throat. Or haven't you noticed? And it is doing damage--from AIDS to contributing to the declining birthrate in the West. And they want a repeat performance in Russia and elsewhere.

That's all I have to say on this subject.


91 posted on 05/28/2006 6:04:54 PM PDT by rbg81
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To: GarySpFc
Oh nonsense! The gays were forbidden by law to march, because the government knew it would cause trouble.

Yes, and instead of deploying to prevent violence and restore order, the police joined in the melee. Bad for Russia.

They marched anyway. Their behavior was equivalent to raping 5 year old girls, and the public was outraged.

Frothing hyperbole. They were parading without a license and planning to lay flowers on the monument, not defecate on it. The last time I checked, in a democratic society that led to a ticket and perhaps the arrest of the organizers, not a stick to the face.

Apparently you are the proverbial frog in the boiling pot, and society has changed your values.

I don't think that my generation cares as much as our elders do about the gays.

92 posted on 05/28/2006 6:22:43 PM PDT by Zeroisanumber
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To: Zeroisanumber
They marched anyway. Their behavior was equivalent to raping 5 year old girls, and the public was outraged.

Frothing hyperbole. They were parading without a license and planning to lay flowers on the monument, not defecate on it. The last time I checked, in a democratic society that led to a ticket and perhaps the arrest of the organizers, not a stick to the face.

They were not simply parading without a permit, but using one of the most sacred places in Russia for their political agenda.
93 posted on 05/28/2006 6:47:07 PM PDT by GarySpFc (Jesus on Immigration, John 10:1)
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To: GarySpFc
They were not simply parading without a permit, but using one of the most sacred places in Russia for their political agenda.

And Fred Phelps uses Arlington in a much more offensive way for his, yet he's never suffered the same fate. Why is that?

94 posted on 05/28/2006 7:04:04 PM PDT by Zeroisanumber
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To: rbg81

Now you're stereotyping. SOME gays have been outspoken and pushy. That does not mean all of them need to be tarred with the same brush. SOME Christians blow up abortion clinics. That does not mean all Christians are bomb throwers, does it?


95 posted on 05/28/2006 7:23:36 PM PDT by Junior (Identical fecal matter, alternate diurnal period)
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To: Zeroisanumber
And Fred Phelps uses Arlington in a much more offensive way for his, yet he's never suffered the same fate. Why is that?

Fred Phelps use of Arlington for his agenda is bad, but not nearly as offensive as using Russia's tomb of the unknown soldier. In Russia the sacrifice their soldiers made in WWII is considered sacred, and obviously that is something you do not comprehend. Once again, homosexuals had an agenda, which was extremely offensive to the Russians. You can call it frothing hyperbole, but the only way to describe how offensive what the gays did in Moscow is to like it to raping a 5 year old girl.
96 posted on 05/28/2006 7:31:57 PM PDT by GarySpFc (Jesus on Immigration, John 10:1)
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To: GSlob
Do not tie yourself in a knot about gay marriage

Don't tell me it isn't something to be concerned about.

Gay marriage is not merely a fraud and a farce. It is destructive of traditional marriage and will inflict incalculable damage on the society that permits it.

The proof is overwhelmingly evident in the nations that have embraced gay marriage. Those nations are on a fast track to extinction.

97 posted on 05/28/2006 7:32:13 PM PDT by JCEccles (“It is error alone which needs the support of government. Truth can stand by itself.” Jefferson)
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To: kronos77

Don't tell the left this, but even the KPRF (Russian communists) were opposed to the gay march in Russia.


98 posted on 05/28/2006 7:59:15 PM PDT by Thunder90
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To: Zeroisanumber
I'm sorry, but I get the feeling that I'm missing some essential point that you're making.

If the shoe was on the other foot they sure wouldn't hesitate to deprive others of their rights:

'Philly 11' win round against 'gay' group

99 posted on 05/28/2006 9:06:28 PM PDT by Screaming_Gerbil (Let's Roll...)
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To: Zeroisanumber

=Yes, and instead of deploying to prevent violence and restore order, the police joined in the melee. Bad for Russia.=

Actually the police arrested several gay leaders and more than 50 anti-paraders. Without police's defence gays'd be torn to pieces.

=They were parading without a license and planning to lay flowers on the monument, not defecate on it.=

Anybody can lay flowers on the monument but when they announce the procedure via mass-media it turns to parade. The parade was banned. Period.


100 posted on 05/29/2006 12:46:17 AM PDT by vertolet
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