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Ray Nagin - "Good and Hard"
Special to FreeRepublic ^ | 26 May 2006 | John Armor (Congressman Billybob)

Posted on 05/26/2006 9:21:17 AM PDT by Congressman Billybob

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To: Congressman Billybob

It will also be interesting to see if Blanko Dubois gets re-elected.


21 posted on 05/26/2006 9:37:14 AM PDT by ichabod1 (The Glory Hath Gone Out Of Israel)
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To: Congressman Billybob
I expect the Democrats will eighty-six Rep. Jefferson before the election. But, if he remains on the ballot, will the bone-headed voters of New Orleans will reward him with another term in Congress?

As you mentioned on another thread last night, if the Dims really wanted to yank Jefferson off the Ways and Means Committee, they could in an instant. All Pelosi has to do is give the word to Dennis Hastert, and he would lose that seat. So far, Pelosi has failed to do that - all she's done is "ask" him to resign from the committee, nothing but window dressing. He basically responded by telling her to stuff it, and then went crying to his colleagues in the Congressional Black Caucus, who promptly came to his rescue and circled the wagons around him.

Pelosi hasn't uttered a peep in response to that middle finger waved in her face, much less come out and actually condemn what Jefferson is accused of doing. For that matter, no one on the Republican side has condemned Jefferson - they're too busy engaging in their little turf war with the White House.

If the Dims won't even strip Jefferson of his committee assignment, if the House Republicans won't even stop bickering with Bush long enough to condemn a Congressman filmed accepting bribe money, why should we expect anyone to do anything meaningful to Jefferson? The voters in New Orleans will put him back in office, even if he's sitting in a prison cell on election day. If I were Jefferson, I'd be feeling just about invincible right about now.

22 posted on 05/26/2006 9:41:00 AM PDT by CFC__VRWC (AIDS, abortion, euthanasia - Don't liberals just kill ya?)
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To: Congressman Billybob
Mayor Nagin evacuated to Baton Rouge

No he didn't. He stayed with the city's skeleton emergency staff at the Hyatt during and after the hurricane. Rumors and urban myths gleefully posted on FR does not constitute good sourcing.

Nagin is a mouthy fool

Perhaps so, but you are the last person who should be criticizing him.

Since Nagin's runoff appointment was Mitch Landrieu, his family hip deep in decades of entrenched Dem corruption, are you saying NOLA should have elected him? Nagin may have been incompetent, but his reputation among local NOLA freepers is one of an outsider fromt the ol'boy Dem network who attempted some reforms to start weeding out corruption. Why not post this in the LA topic, they'd know more about this than you or I.

23 posted on 05/26/2006 9:42:08 AM PDT by Diddle E. Squat
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To: L98Fiero
I used to love New Orleans but now I think it's a lost cause. Most people I know who left aren't going back. Those who are get out-voted by the bus-ins.

Unfortunately, I never got a chance to visit. But - and I could be severely mistaken - I thought the French Quarter, downtown, and the nicer neighborhoods were mostly above-ground, and remain standing. Doesn't seem like the 3rd-world-like slums that drowned contributed much to what made the city fun. Or was the rest of the city damaged beyond repair as well?

24 posted on 05/26/2006 9:42:56 AM PDT by Freedom_no_exceptions (No actual, intended, or imminent victim = no crime. No exceptions.)
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To: Diddle E. Squat

Should read, "Since Nagin's runoff opponent was Mitch Landrieu"


25 posted on 05/26/2006 9:43:34 AM PDT by Diddle E. Squat
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To: Congressman Billybob

Thanks. I look forward to reading them.


26 posted on 05/26/2006 9:54:42 AM PDT by stephenjohnbanker
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To: CatoRenasci; Congressman Billybob
[As H. L. Mencken wrote, “The American people get the government they deserve, good and hard.”]

You're using one of my favorite Mencken lines.

Actually, he's misusing/misquoting it.

The source, of course, is H.L.Mencken and George Jean Nathan's A Book of Burlesques in the section entitled The Jazz Webster. The quote itself comes from the definition of Democracy: Democracy is the theory that two thieves will steal less than one, three thieves will steal less than two ... and so on; the theory that the common people know what they want and deserve to get it good and hard.

Nonetheless, Billybob mangled the quote, losing much of Mencken's deftness with the language, and confuses it with portions from other famous quotes:

"Every country has the government it deserves"
-Joseph de Maistre (1753 - 1821) Written on August 15, 1811

"Democracy is a device that ensures we shall be governed no better than we deserve."
George Bernard Shaw (1856 - 1950)

If you're going to "quote" someone by name, use their actual words, or else drop the quotation marks and indicate that it's a paraphrase or your own restatement inspired by the original.
27 posted on 05/26/2006 9:58:28 AM PDT by Ichneumon (Ignorance is curable, but the afflicted has to want to be cured.)
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To: Triggerhippie
Did someone say gay porn?!


28 posted on 05/26/2006 9:59:45 AM PDT by new cruelty
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To: Congressman Billybob
Ray Nagin - "Good and Hard"

Eeeeeewwwwwwwwww!!! That's TMI (Too Much Information)!!!
29 posted on 05/26/2006 10:05:42 AM PDT by DustyMoment (FloriDUH - proud inventors of pregnant/hanging chads and judicide!!)
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To: new cruelty

LOL!


31 posted on 05/26/2006 10:19:49 AM PDT by Triggerhippie (Plus ça change, plus c'est la même chose.)
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To: Congressman Billybob
Gee, all Ray Nagin wants is for New Orleanians themselves to decide the fate of their homes and their city, not a bunch of eggheads from Washington or know-it-alls who never lived there. All he wants is for the Army Corps of Engineers to fix the damn levees that they egregiously and corruptly failed to build properly in the first place, which was the proximate cause of 150,000 families losing their homes and hundreds of small business owners losing their businesses. Most of what happened in New Orleans is the federal government's fault. It's the federal government's responsibility to fix it. Cities all over the world exist below sea level. Technology and engineering exist that can rebuild those levees to withstand even a Category 5 hurricane. Do that and everyone who wants to can come back and New Orleans will thrive.

Trash Nagin all you want for failing to get those buses moving and get more people out of town before the storm, (although nobody has ever admitted that it would have been pretty tough to force 200 part-time school bus drivers to abandon the evacuation and safety of their own families to drive those buses) but most of the blame for the horrible response to the storm lies with Kathleen Blanco and her pissing match with President Bush over the use of the National Guard. Ray Nagin was the proverbial grass that lost when those two bull elephants fought. Blanco had the power to commandeer school bus fleets from other cities to go to New Orleans immediately and get those people out of the Superdome and the Convention Center. She didn't do it. She had her people keeping the Red Cross away from the Superdome.

Nagin just engineered a $150 million credit line from JPMorganChase to keep the city operating. I doubt Mitch Landrieu would have had the business acumen to do that, and if he did, the Landrieu family would have skimmed $10 million off of the top before the city saw a dime.

32 posted on 05/26/2006 10:22:58 AM PDT by Dems_R_Losers (Control the borders. Control the spending. Confirm the judges. Win the War. -- Hugh Hewitt)
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To: Ichneumon
Ichneumon: I'm not sure why you had to make the point - which I made rather gently by supplying the original quote (as well as I can remember it, which is why the ellipsis) - in such confrontational manner. Billybob's a good guy and I'm sure he wasn't trying to get it wrong, in fact he probably heard it that way somewhere. Not too many people actually have copies of A Book of Burlesques to confirm the exact quote. My copy is at home, not at the office. And, of course, since the book was a collaboration with George Jean Nathan (Mencken's then co-editor of the American Mercury), it's not really clear who wrote that particular line.
33 posted on 05/26/2006 10:37:10 AM PDT by CatoRenasci (Ceterum Censeo Arabiam Esse Delendam -- Forsan et haec olim meminisse iuvabit)
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To: Clintonfatigued
Ray Nagin won a number of white voters who didn't want the Landrieu family taking over the state.

Bingo! Nagin was the 'Devil You Know.' It's not as if the alternatives were any better.

34 posted on 05/26/2006 10:41:39 AM PDT by dfwgator (Florida Gators - 2006 NCAA Men's Basketball Champions)
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To: Congressman Billybob
Why would their be a need for buses when there were more than 200,000 flooded vehicles in the city following Katrina? Perhaps, the people that Decided to stay should have gotten in their cars and left town like I did.

Nagin may be incompetent but those who Decided not to evacuate are morons.

35 posted on 05/26/2006 10:47:21 AM PDT by H. Paul Pressler IV
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To: Congressman Billybob

This critique of Nagin is way over the top. He's not that bad a guy. If you knew anything about his opponent you'd have voted for Nagin. The Landrieu family are the originators of the French Creole kleptocracy that got started in the 60's by Mitch Landrieu's dad. Every subsequent mayor got his start under old Daddy "Moon", except for Nagin.

Nagin has his faults, but he's clean as a whistle. There were no scandals in his first 3 yrs, he co-operates with the feds on cleanin up entrenched corruption, he modernized city hall technology, brought in the movie industry, and in general was doing a good job as a reform mayor, a first in N.O.

I don't blame Nagin for the apocolyptic week that followed Katrina. That blames goes to Gov. Blanco, but I can't get started on her right now.

And Nagin is no political lightweight anymore. He survived everything that the most powerful interests in the city, state and national DNC could throw at him, no small feat.

But the most important thing to come from this election is that the Blacks turned against their long-time Landrieu, Creole protectors and voted for an independent-minded, pro-business, individual responsibility guy for mayor. That is a huge change in the wind that I think spells trouble for the rest of the old machine.


36 posted on 05/26/2006 10:48:11 AM PDT by dg62
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To: dg62

Why is it so many "Conservatives" believe it is the Government's responsibility to Evacuate people prior to a hurricane?


37 posted on 05/26/2006 10:52:40 AM PDT by H. Paul Pressler IV
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To: H. Paul Pressler IV

I don't know. I'm not one of them.


38 posted on 05/26/2006 10:59:53 AM PDT by dg62
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To: stickandpucknut
IF TED KEENEDY CAN GET RE ELECTED ANYONE EVEN BOZO THE CLOWN

McDermott keeps getting re elected here in Washington State, so anything is possible.

39 posted on 05/26/2006 11:02:58 AM PDT by Vicki (Washington State where anyone can vote .... illegals, non-residents or anyone just passing through)
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To: Freedom_no_exceptions

"Doesn't seem like the 3rd-world-like slums that drowned contributed much to what made the city fun. Or was the rest of the city damaged beyond repair as well?"

Parts were. One problem is with all the solid waste. MANY buildings, houses, appliances, vehicles, etc all still have to be disposed of. Numerous buildings remain to be demolished and is an overall slow, tedious process that is going to put a huge strain on the city for a good long time.

I don't think most hardworking, roll-up-your-sleeves type people mind taking that on but as it turns out, they aren't going to have much of a political voice. They are in the true minority residents in New Orleans and quite a few decided to cut their losses.


40 posted on 05/26/2006 11:19:13 AM PDT by L98Fiero (I'm worth a million in prizes.)
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