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No Clash of Civilizations but a Clash between... Middle Ages and 21st Century
MEMRI TV (Middle East Media Research Institute ^ | 2/21/06 | Wafa Sultan

Posted on 05/24/2006 9:32:07 AM PDT by Albion Wilde

Wafa Sultan:The clash we are witnessing around the world is not a clash of religions, or a clash of civilizations.... It is a clash between a mentality that belongs to the Middle Ages and another mentality that belongs to the 21st century. It is a clash between civilization and backwardness, between the civilized and the primitive, between barbarity and rationality. It is a clash between freedom and oppression, between democracy and dictatorship. It is a clash between human rights, on the one hand, and the violation of these rights, on other hand. It is a clash between those who treat women like beasts, and those who treat them like human beings. What we see today is not a clash of civilizations. Civilizations do not clash, but compete... [snip]

Host: I understand from your words that what is happening today is a clash between the culture of the West, and the backwardness and ignorance of the Muslims?

Wafa Sultan: Yes, that is what I mean.


TOPICS: Culture/Society; Editorial; Foreign Affairs; Philosophy; War on Terror
KEYWORDS: clashofcivilizations; huntington; islam; memri; memritv; muslim; samhuntington; wafasultan
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To: Albion Wilde
may the BLESSINGS of "Man Above" be upon you & your house.

fwiw, i think you are a DECENT/moral person, whom some here would do well to emulate.

free dixie,sw

181 posted on 05/31/2006 9:57:11 AM PDT by stand watie ( Resistance to tyrants is OBEDIENCE to God. -----T.Jefferson)
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To: SF Republican

A reformation of Islam would cause its dissapearance. That is why the ulama will resist reformation to the death, both theirs and ours.


182 posted on 05/31/2006 11:00:08 AM PDT by attiladhun2 (evolution has both deified and degraded humanity)
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To: stand watie; Fred Nerks; SauronOfMordor; az_jdhayworth_fan; tkathy; Jim Robinson
"when ""m.eSPINola" agree with a post (ANY POST!), "albion", i would worry about the correctness of "my position", if i were you. "mr. spin" appears to be both a BIGOT & a HATER of the 1st order. "mr. spin": stick to posting your SILLY & meaningLESS cartoons & making DUMB-bunny comments. you're "out of your depth" here in a serious discussion."



You're out of control - again. I have repeatedly told you to stop slandering me. You refuse, plus on this thread alone your verbal abuse directed at numerous people is appallingly evident.

If you falsely label me as "bigot" a "hater" or any other of your lies regarding my character you will be reported to Jim Robinson - again!

183 posted on 05/31/2006 11:41:44 PM PDT by M. Espinola (Freedom is never free)
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To: stand watie

I have to concurr with M. Espinola. You are extremely abusive with personal attacks! I have been much too busy lately to respond to your drivel and libel. Did not even wish to dignify such lunacy by responding. But, I do hope you hear from the powers to be. The pity is that like all slanderous miscriants you would complain that it is the fault of everyone else...that all these horrible freepers are BIGOTED toward you, rather than acknowledging that the biggest BIGGOT can be observed in your own bathroom mirror!!!


184 posted on 06/01/2006 12:20:34 AM PDT by az_jdhayworth_fan
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To: stand watie; Fred Nerks; SauronOfMordor; az_jdhayworth_fan; tkathy; Jim Robinson

Note to self: Use preview. But the upshot is that "bigot" with two G's has the advantage of creatively emphasizing the adjective "biggest", which cannot be emphasized enough in this case.


185 posted on 06/01/2006 12:29:18 AM PDT by az_jdhayworth_fan
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To: az_jdhayworth_fan

Knock knock
who's there?
Bigger
Bigger who?
Bigger Biggot, LOL!


186 posted on 06/01/2006 2:06:22 AM PDT by Fred Nerks (Read the bio THE LIFE OF MUHAMMAD free! Click Fred Nerks for link to my Page.)
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To: bayouranger

Placing quotation marks around:

"Blaming FReepers who try to bring disturbing facts to light is not likely to bear good fruit for you. God's blessing and good luck to you with the choices you face."

Methinks would change the meaning of your comment - that's followed by:

Great closing to you post, which I must say was very robust in content and sincerity.

Am I on target, or what, LOL!?


187 posted on 06/01/2006 2:16:12 AM PDT by Fred Nerks (Read the bio THE LIFE OF MUHAMMAD free! Click Fred Nerks for link to my Page.)
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To: M. Espinola
Chill out, man. There are some people in the world who cannot be debated, because logic does not impinge on their consciousness. The best response is then to ignore the noise and get on with life.

Some people are just into the game of messing with peoples heads.

188 posted on 06/01/2006 4:07:18 AM PDT by SauronOfMordor (A planned society is most appealing to those with the arrogance to think they will be the planners)
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To: stand watie

Mohammad, by many accounts, plagarized jewish and christian texts, combined them with satanic verses, thus beginning the world's most violent, sadistic, false belief system.


189 posted on 06/01/2006 4:39:42 AM PDT by tkathy (The "can do" party can fix anything. The "do-nothing" party always makes things worse.)
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To: Albion Wilde
It is a clash between a mentality that belongs to the Middle Ages and another mentality that belongs to the 21st century.

Wrong. It's a clash between Mohammedanism and the vestigal Christian heritage of the West.

The Middle Ages brought us the greatest philosophical movement in world history, the Scholastic movement, and the rise of the university. The 20th century has given us such triumphs of humanism as communism and socialism, and the slaughter of countless millions.

190 posted on 06/01/2006 4:55:50 AM PDT by Aquinasfan (When you find "Sola Scriptura" in the Bible, let me know)
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To: sandbar
I was watching a movie about Queen Elizabeth I the other day and the actions of the Pope and Catholics at the time, as well as the Protestants in other instances remind me of the Muslims today. I commented on how the Muslims are about 400 years behind in evolution.

Well, the Protestant revolution has had devastating consequences for Europe. The modern intellectual descent into madness can be traced through the Protestant notion of private interpretation of scripture through Rationalism, humanism, Darwinism, Hegelianism, Marxism and Socialism.

The world should have paid attention to Pius IX's Syllabus of Errors.

191 posted on 06/01/2006 5:02:59 AM PDT by Aquinasfan (When you find "Sola Scriptura" in the Bible, let me know)
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To: M. Espinola
I welcome stand watie's comments. When stand objects to something I say I figure I have said something worth saying.

Of course in the same way, I guess stand welcomes bilge from the coven of DYs and SCALAWAGS.

192 posted on 06/01/2006 8:15:47 AM PDT by Colonel Kangaroo
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To: Aquinasfan

The Muslims would agree with you that civilized religious tolerance is an "error".


193 posted on 06/01/2006 8:26:30 AM PDT by steve-b (hardcore 'social' conservatives are to the Rs what the hardcore moonbat eco-nuts are to to the Ds)
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To: tkathy
did you INTEND to be offensive/disrespectful, when you "lower-cased" the words,Christian & Jewish, in your post?

free dixie,sw

196 posted on 06/01/2006 8:32:41 AM PDT by stand watie ( Resistance to tyrants is OBEDIENCE to God. -----T.Jefferson)
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To: SauronOfMordor
you might read #194 & #195.

free dixie,sw

197 posted on 06/01/2006 8:34:11 AM PDT by stand watie ( Resistance to tyrants is OBEDIENCE to God. -----T.Jefferson)
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To: steve-b
The Muslims would agree with you that civilized religious tolerance is an "error".

Did I say that political religious tolerance is an error? Religious relativism or indifference is a grave error. It's one of the countless errors of modernity.

Is there anything in the "Syllabus" in particular that you take issue with?

198 posted on 06/01/2006 8:54:49 AM PDT by Aquinasfan (When you find "Sola Scriptura" in the Bible, let me know)
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To: Aquinasfan
Here are three examples of things asserted to be "error" which are, in fact, clear truths in any civilized society:

15. Every man is free to embrace and profess that religion which, guided by the light of reason, he shall consider true.

77. In the present day it is no longer expedient that the Catholic religion should be held as the only religion of the State, to the exclusion of all other forms of worship.

78. Hence it has been wisely decided by law, in some Catholic countries, that persons coming to reside therein shall enjoy the public exercise of their own peculiar worship.

199 posted on 06/01/2006 9:00:20 AM PDT by steve-b (hardcore 'social' conservatives are to the Rs what the hardcore moonbat eco-nuts are to to the Ds)
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To: steve-b; Aquinasfan
Addendum: Obviously, the specific "Catholic" references in items 77 and 78 should be made generic in order to cast these alleged "errors" as statements that should be taken as givens by civilized people.

If these statements were asserted to be error only in the specific "Catholic" case (so that, for example, Pius IX found no "error" in the notion that a Protestant country's decision to tolerate Catholic churches was "wisely decided", then they is simply crass pleas for special rights.)

200 posted on 06/01/2006 9:11:33 AM PDT by steve-b (hardcore 'social' conservatives are to the Rs what the hardcore moonbat eco-nuts are to to the Ds)
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