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A.C.L.U. May Block Criticism by Its Board
NY Times ^ | 24-May-06 | STEPHANIE STROM

Posted on 05/24/2006 7:39:08 AM PDT by Jay777

The American Civil Liberties Union is weighing new standards that would discourage its board members from publicly criticizing the organization’s policies and internal administration.

“Where an individual director disagrees with a board position on matters of civil liberties policy, the director should refrain from publicly highlighting the fact of such disagreement,” the committee that compiled the standards wrote in its proposals.

“Directors should remember that there is always a material prospect that public airing of the disagreement will affect the A.C.L.U. adversely in terms of public support and fund-raising,” the proposals state.

Given the organization’s longtime commitment to defending free speech, some former board members were shocked by the proposals. Nat Hentoff, a writer and former A.C.L.U. board member, was incredulous. “You sure that didn’t come out of Dick Cheney’s office?” he asked.

“For the national board to consider promulgating a gag order on its members — I can’t think of anything more contrary to the reason the A.C.L.U. exists,” Mr. Hentoff added.

The proposals say that “a director may publicly disagree with an A.C.L.U. policy position, but may not criticize the A.C.L.U. board or staff.” But Wendy Kaminer, a board member and a public critic of some decisions made by the organization’s leadership, said that was a distinction without a difference.

“If you disagree with a policy position,” she said, “you are implicitly criticizing the judgment of whoever adopted the position, board or staff.”

Anthony D. Romero, the A.C.L.U.’s executive director, said that he had not yet read the proposals and that it would be premature to discuss them before the board reviews them at its June meeting.

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1 posted on 05/24/2006 7:39:09 AM PDT by Jay777
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To: RepCath; Liz; IronJack; Grampa Dave; MeekOneGOP; Iris7; wkdaysoff; EdReform; Nick Danger; ...
PING!
2 posted on 05/24/2006 7:40:19 AM PDT by Jay777 (My personal blog: www.stoptheaclu.com)
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To: Jay777

When will the IRS audit the ACLU?


3 posted on 05/24/2006 7:40:46 AM PDT by Ptarmigan (Ptarmigans will rise again!)
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To: Jay777

"... would discourage its board members from publicly criticizing the organization’s policies..."

Kinda say's it all. So much for free speach.


4 posted on 05/24/2006 7:41:42 AM PDT by Freeport
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To: Jay777
“For the national board to consider promulgating a gag order on its members — I can’t think of anything more contrary to the reason the A.C.L.U. exists,” Mr. Hentoff added.

He hasn't been following the news.

5 posted on 05/24/2006 7:42:10 AM PDT by <1/1,000,000th%
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To: Freeport

Fits the marxist viewpoint...


6 posted on 05/24/2006 7:42:50 AM PDT by Knitting A Conundrum (Act Justly, Love Mercy, and Walk Humbly With God Micah 6:8)
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To: Jay777
New ACLU Motto:

"Free speech for all....

As long as it expresses what we want it to."
7 posted on 05/24/2006 7:43:51 AM PDT by Danae (Anál nathrach, orth' bháis's bethad, do chél dénmha)
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To: Jay777

This is so typical of leftists. Find a group of leftists, and you'll find an environment that cannot tolerate thoughts outside the narrowly accepted range. There's no place on the internet where there's less freedom of speech than at DU. I enjoy DU Funnies, but the reality is "it ain't funny." The lack of open discourse, that is.

It's like watching a bunch of people talk nonstop over which shade of green is best, when someone suddenly says "what about red?" Then all hell breaks loose until the guy who mentioned red is gone.

Then they go back to talking about how great green is.


8 posted on 05/24/2006 7:45:56 AM PDT by David Allen (the presumption of innocence - what a concept!)
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To: Danae
Exactly right. The hypocrisy of the left cannot be described in words and they wonder why they are despised by the majority of Americans.
9 posted on 05/24/2006 7:46:04 AM PDT by jveritas (Hate can never win elections.)
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To: Jay777

A.C.L.U are Hypocrites


10 posted on 05/24/2006 7:49:23 AM PDT by Mo1 (DEMOCRATS: A CULTURE OF TREASON)
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To: Jay777
Nat Hentoff, a writer and former A.C.L.U. board member, was incredulous. “You sure that didn’t come out of Dick Cheney’s office?” he asked.

“For the national board to consider promulgating a gag order on its members — I can’t think of anything more contrary to the reason the A.C.L.U. exists,” Mr. Hentoff added.

I would have thought Hentoff would have cut bait with the ACLU years ago.

Wake up, Nat. You don’t share the same concept of political and religious freedom that these leftist fascists do.

11 posted on 05/24/2006 7:52:13 AM PDT by dead (I've got my eye out for Mullah Omar.)
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To: Jay777

Someone disagrees with the ACLU? Imagine that!


12 posted on 05/24/2006 7:53:35 AM PDT by Sunshine Sister
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To: Jay777
Nat Hentoff is a very intelligent man, but he seems blinded to reality when it comes to Liberals and Conservatives.

What he fails to realize is that Dick Cheney might agree that someone is a "Big Time" major league a-hole, or he might tell you to "F___ Off", he will defend to his death the right for you to say the same things to or about him.

Liberals do not allow that. They want to suppress speech that is "offensive" (to them), they want to suppress speech that is "insensitive" (to them), they want to suppress speech that is "overly critical" (to them).

In other words Nat, they want liberality for themselves and no liberty for those they disagree with.
13 posted on 05/24/2006 7:54:39 AM PDT by Anitius Severinus Boethius
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To: Jay777

So what does the ACLU propose to do to board members who do NOT obey their "gag order"?

Maybe they could borrow some sword-swinging decapitation teams from CAIR?


14 posted on 05/24/2006 7:55:32 AM PDT by mkjessup (The Shah doesn't look so bad now, eh? But nooo, Jimmah said the Ayatollah was a 'godly' man.)
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To: David Allen
In the early 90's I would have said you were full of crap.

But after living and working in downtown Seattle for the last dozen years or so, I'm convinced that the largest group of unbridled bigots in the United States are Leftists. 

The vitriol and hatred is simply astonishing.  If you voice any disagreement with the prevailing Leftist thought, you are shouted down and verbally abused.

The last straw for me was when a complaint was filed with the HR department at my company, against a woman who did nothing more than say "Well, I voted for Bush" in the lunchroom at work.  Seriously.  A co-worker tried to get her fired for literally "voting for Bush."

And I know that's all she said because I was sitting next to her (and staying out of the conversation) when she said it.

Sure, the right has it's bigots.....but they are generally not tolerated the way the left embraces its bigotry.

 

 

15 posted on 05/24/2006 7:57:20 AM PDT by Psycho_Bunny (ISLAM: The Other Psychosis)
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To: Danae
Yup.

It never fails to amaze me, how the Left bleats on and on and on about how 2+2 = "what ever they say it does this week", and the sheeple following the Leftists eat it up! Good Grief! Can't these people figure out for themselves that 2+2 = 4? What the hell is WRONG with 2+2 equaling 4? It gets the job DONE! It is what makes the economy run! It is what kills and or imprisons people that are out to BEHEAD our children! It is what should be keeping illegal invaders out of our Nation!

I tell you, if this Nation falls, it won't be because of Terrorists, or Illegal aliens. It will be because of the Popularist movements that tell us that reality is NOT what it is. 2+2= whatever= oblivion
16 posted on 05/24/2006 7:57:33 AM PDT by Danae (Anál nathrach, orth' bháis's bethad, do chél dénmha)
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To: Jay777
Nope. I support them on this issue. This is not an issue about public free speech. They have a right to police their own organization and if they feel they are employing someone that is presenting a negative image they have a right to remove that person.

I agree with their right to do so 110%.
17 posted on 05/24/2006 7:59:34 AM PDT by WinteryDays
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To: Jay777

classic liberal/leftist hypocrisy....


18 posted on 05/24/2006 8:01:02 AM PDT by God luvs America (When the silent majority speaks the earth trembles!)
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To: WinteryDays
Of course they have the right to do it, but their self-censorship creates a pretty bad PR problem for them.

It really enforces the image of the "defenders of free speech" as hypocritical and intolerant of speech outside their concept of what is acceptable.

But they have every right to parade their hypocrisy. It's a free country.

19 posted on 05/24/2006 8:07:33 AM PDT by dead (I've got my eye out for Mullah Omar.)
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To: WinteryDays

OK, absent context you make a valid point. One that I agree with from the standpoint of a private sector tax paying business.

Now lets add the context of the ACLU being an entity that is at least in part funded by tax dollars gained from suing public infrastructure and collecting lawyers fees for doing so.

Lets add the context that the ACLU is supposedly doing much of this suing under the pretext of privay rights and the ability to speak your mind freely.

I ask you this, how does an entity in this context retain its credability (barf) on the issue of supporting free speech for all when they restrain their own people from excercising that very speech?

Do as I say not as I do? Sure looks that way to me!


20 posted on 05/24/2006 8:10:27 AM PDT by BlueStateDepression
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