Posted on 05/23/2006 1:58:25 PM PDT by NYer
CHICAGO, May 22 /PRNewswire/ -- The following statement was released today by the Rainbow Sash Movement (RSM). The RSM will respond to the fear and intolerance of Gay, Lesbian, Bisexual Transgender (GLBT) persons, by many of our Catholic Bishops on Pentecost Sunday, June 4, 2006. We will be entering, with our straight allies, Catholic Cathedrals across the nation on Pentecost wearing Rainbow Sashes as a sign of identification. Some Bishops have welcomed us in the past, and we are thankful for their welcome.
Nationally our Bishops have lobbied against our human rights. Our grief is intensified because many in the GLBT Catholic Community feel alienated from the Church because of this assault on our human rights. We believe the Bishops have a serious obligation to root out structures and attitudes that discriminate against the homosexual as a person. A small number of courageous Bishops are exerting their leadership in behalf of this effort, and these Bishops will have our full support and prayers.
The Gospels reveal that, while Jesus did not hesitate to proclaim radical ethic of life grounded in the promise of God's kingdom, he never ceased to reach out to the lowly, to the outcasts of his time even if they did not live up to the full demands of his teaching. Jesus offered forgiveness and healing to all who sought it. And when some objected to this compassion, he responded: "Let the one among you who is guiltless be the first to throw the stone,"(John 8:7)
We are followers of Jesus Christ, and Catholic. This is why members of the Rainbow Sash Movement will wear Rainbow Sashes on Pentecost Sunday. We see homophobia within the Church as both an opportunity for education, and a way to promote the idea of love of neighbor. We are calling for dialogue.
To find out more, and get involved with Rainbow Sash Movement please visit our Web site at http://www.rainbowsashmovement.com, or email: Sashmovement@AOL.Com
Who said that? Not Jesus. I think it was Paul wasn't it?
Well, it is more convenient when you can pick and choose which verses you want to agree with. What do you do with all of Jesus' teaching about hell? Do you throw that out as being not consistent with what you see as the body of His teaching too?
As you know I was responding to a differnt poster who claimed that Jesus did discuss homosexuality.
Every word you say proves all my points. Thank you.
Eating rules and sexual morality rules have nothing to do with each other; but the Leviticus talking points you parrot are on the Internet under "Homosexual Promotion For Dummies".
BTW, I don't eat shellfish either.
You choose to use part of the bible when it suits your argument but then discard the rest when it doesn't.
Can't have it both ways!
Typical of those trying to justify evil as good.
I am not one who thinks that the Bible has been translated correctly or left unchanged throughout history. I also do not think that the disciples themselves understood all that Jesus taught. I do not think that Jesus was angry in the Temple.
As far as hell - I think this world is hell enough. I don't think it could get much worse than this where the children of God hate, attack, condemn and war against each other and there is incredible suffering going on.
Funny how they always leave off Repentance and Reconciliation.
Funny how they always leave this out too. I don't see any Grey area here.
Leviticus 20:13If a man also lie with mankind, as he lieth with a woman, both of them have committed an abomination: they shall surely be put to death; their blood [shall be] upon them.
the whole "go forth and sin no more" is somewhat lost on the hedonism crowd.
THERE IS A HELL
There is NO Happiness in Hell
There is NO Hope in Hell
There is NO way out of Hell
There is ONLY Misery 24/7 in Hell
There is NO Joy in Hell
There is NO Caring in Hell
There is NO way out of Hell
There is ONLY Misery 24/7 in Hell
There is NO Good in Hell
There is NO Laughter in Hell
There is NO way out of Hell
There is ONLY Misery 24/7 in Hell
There is NO Love in Hell
There is NO Family in Hell
There is NO way out of Hell
There is ONLY Misery 24/7 in Hell
Hell is a Choice
Can You spell E-t-e-r-n-i-t-y?
"The existence of hell is proved first of all from the Bible. Wherever Christ and the Apostles speak of hell they presuppose the knowledge of its existence (Matthew 5:29; 8:12; 10:28; 13:42; 25:41, 46; 2 Thessalonians 1:8; Revelation 21:8, etc"
http://www.newadvent.org/cathen/07207a.htm
God is love is drive through theology! Anyone who latches on to that drivel that "God is Love" is the basis of all Christian or Judeaocristain thought is patently ignorant or selectively paying attention.
God created us all, and has a plan and purpose for us all.. that is true. God loves the Rapist as any father would love their son or daughter.. but that does not mean God embraces condones or advocates the rape.
Homosexuals simply refuse to accept a few things, first and formost IT'S A BEHAVIOR.. period. Saying you have no more control over your sexuality and sexual activities is basically stating that you are not a child of God, graced with concious thought and reason, but nothing more than a beast of the field, with no more reason, or intellect than a rabbit or a cow.
Man is not a beast of the field, our creator granted us a great gift called intellect and reason. A beast of the field will jump any female he can overpower than will allow him at an urge, yet we as humans recognize that we as People do not and should not behave that way.
Homosexuality (particularly among men) is simply a culmination of a handful of things in most cases. 1) The result of sexual abuse (learned behavior) 2) An unhealthy desire to be accepted by other men in any way possible leaving them in a perpetual adolecent state instead of growing up. (mental disorder) 3) Intimidated by women due to an overbearing mother figure, or desire for male acceptance due to poor or no relationship with their fathers (mental disorder).
Not one shred of evidence EVER was put forth to remove Homosexuality from the DSMIV.. not one study, nothing.. in fact many studies supported strongly that homosexuality, particularly among men is a mental disorder that often manifests itself in narccisstic and self destructive actions.
Homosexuality is a BEHAVIOR... conscious effort and energy goes into engaging into this behavior. These behaviors are driven mostly by mental trama that they choose not to face.
When a "homosexual" decides to engage in that behavior, he is no different than a fornicator or an adulterer or even a child abuser consciously deciding to engage in their immoral behavior. It is a counscious choice to act.
You are free to engage in your behaviors, in years past you would be killed on the spot for them... yet today society and christian thought centers more around hating the sin and loving the sinner. But when someone points out to you that you are living a sinful life, as they are duty bound by their faith to do.. that does not mean they are evil or wish you dead. Christian doctrine states quite clearly, if you see one engaging in sin, and you do not inform them of their sin, then that persons sin is on you, because they may not know that they do is sin... if however you inform them and they choose to sin anyway, they will die, and their sin will not be upon you and you will live in life eternal.
Ask for enlightenment of the Holy Spirit and then and will you know the truth.
When my children acted up they knew a correction/punishment was coming to correct their behavior. If they went against the laws of the house, they had to be discplined to get it through their heads to obey the laws of the house.
I believe that God's love works in the same way as it shows in Scripture. He is full of mercy and quick to forgive us our sins if we repent. If we don't.. I feel it's quite clear there is punishment ahead for those that don't obey His laws and flagarantly thumb their noses at His laws. What is Love? I don't know that it can be defined because God is Love and it is beyond our capacity to define God. But love contains such things as caring, giving, respecting, responding to, being trustworthy toward, knowing, reducing fear of loss, rejoicing in the presence of, etc etc.
Right, I can agree with those qualities of love. I also think that love gives correction and guidance. My children sometimes wanted to engage in conduct my wife and I knew might cause either spiritual harm to them or bodily harm. It was our great love for them that gave us the courage to say "NO! You can't do that!"
You are free to engage in your behaviors, in years past you would be killed on the spot for them... yet today society and christian thought centers more around hating the sin and loving the sinner. But when someone points out to you that you are living a sinful life, as they are duty bound by their faith to do.. that does not mean they are evil or wish you dead. Christian doctrine states quite clearly, if you see one engaging in sin, and you do not inform them of their sin, then that persons sin is on you, because they may not know that they do is sin... if however you inform them and they choose to sin anyway, they will die, and their sin will not be upon you and you will live in life eternal.
Indeed and my question is do you call people on every sin and, of course, yourself? Or do you just selectively choose some sins that you focus on and if so, why?
The problems start when your old rector retires or moves, or if the diocese elects a new bishop. Then the liberal national church has a strong effect, because the lib administration has controlled who goes to seminary, who graduates, and who gets ordained for the last 30+ years.
So THAT's when you're going to have to fish or cut bait.
In our case, the excrement hit the rotating ventilation device when our old rector (who was liberal but reasonable) retired, and the new guy talked a good game to get called but turned out to be a screaming pro-homosexual revisionist. And the new bishop (who was elected at the last minute after the first choice filed for bankruptcy and divorced his wife) is just as bad if not worse.
And this is why I am glad I am in Iraq. I'll be at a Latin Mass at the ruins of a monastery on a Military FOB. I don't think I have to worry about RS people being present and disrupting Mass. whew.
As far as hell - I think this world is hell enough. I don't think it could get much worse than this where the children of God hate, attack, condemn and war against each other and there is incredible suffering going on.
Much smarter and more studied men than I have researched the Scriptures and have concluded that the Bible is remarkably well preserved, that the earliest available manuscripts confirm that transcriptions were laboriously detailed, such that those of us who believe in the Scriptures are more founded in our faith in them than those who choose to claim that they have been changed over time or translated incorrectly. That said, you are certainly entitled to your opinion regardless of what it is based on. Based on the Scriptures, I would agree that often the disciples did not understand all Jesus taught, which is why they took such great care to write down His words and why the Holy Spirit guided them in writing the Gospels and the Epistles.
As for Hell, Jesus taught extensively about hell, Hades, and condemnation of sin. The rest of the Scriptures also support the position that there is a real Hell and those who are not saved by God's Grace will spend eternity there, separated from God's presence. I would recommend that you read the Gospel of John and read Paul's letter to the Romans. Read them carefully and with an open heart and more importantly an open mind. The Truth is very clear: (1) All have sinned; (2) The wages of sin is death but the GIFT of God is eternal life; (3) The justified shall live by faith; (4) God so loved the world that he gave his only Son, that whoever believes in him shall not die but have everlasting life; (5) Jesus is God's only son and is the ONLY way to have everlasting life; (6) There is no condemnation to those who are in Christ, but outside of Christ the world is condemned.
You can choose to believe these things or not. You can choose to let these truths change your life or not. If you choose not to believe and accept these things, and if you choose to engage in a lifestyle that I find abhorrent because God calls it abhorrent, that doesn't mean that I hate you. If I hated you, I would not have taken the time to share the truth with you that I have posted here, but would rather have just thought that you can go to hell and I don't care. I have posted all the above to you so that you and others have at least one more chance to hear the Good News that Jesus loves you and gave His own life to save you from hell. I hope that if you have not accepted by faith His sacrifice on your behalf that you will.
Yes, I think I understand - just as you would not let an infant play with sissors or play in the street. However, my point is that there is no need to condemn or attack the infant for attempting to. My belief is that there is no condemnation or attack in Love. That a parent *corrects* a child can be a very loving thing. I agree.
Yes when they throw it in your face as the RS group are doing.
You are grasping again sonsong!
"I don't believe in your God!" she shrieks. "My God is a God of Love!"
And she turns away on the doorstep of heaven. As the narrator's guide remarks, there are two kinds of people, those who say to God, "Thy will be done," and those to whom God says, "Thy will be done."
"God is Love" is so often an easy excuse to keep on doing what we want to do, rather than read Scripture, heed, and repent.
Jesus IS Love and He does condemn sin. You seem really confused. Those without the Holy Spirit usually are...
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