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Posted on 05/23/2006 9:27:27 AM PDT by floridaobserver
Though the developer of a technology that uses water to produce a flammable gas says it provides a solution to high gas prices plaguing the nation, detractors claim the businessman's idea is a scam.
Denny Klein is president of Hydrogen Technologies Applications in Clearwater, Fla. His patented machine uses an electrical charge to separate the atoms of H2O into HHO, a gas he calls "Aquygen."
"You get a huge energy response," Klein told the Tampa Tribune. "But this gas is very, very safe."
He first used the fuel to power a welding tool, but soon tried it out in a hybrid automobile.
The flame, though on its own registers just 259 degrees Fahrenheit, heats up to the melting point of whatever substance it touches, explained Steve Lusko, project manager for Hydrogen Technologies Applications.
"For example, when you ignite our flame and touch it to steel, it will cut right through it at 1,400 degrees," Lusko told WND.
"It will melt a hole right through a brick at 4,500 degrees. … It reacts to whatever it touches."
So, Lusko says, the gas has the ability to bond to whatever fuel it is mixed with, like gasoline in a hybrid car.
"Upon combustion, you get a dramatic increase in energy BTUs," he said, "and you get an equally dramatic decrease in emission pollution, because the burn is so highly efficient, what would have come out of the tailpipe as an emission ends up getting burned up and used."
An "electrolyzer" in Klein's 1994 Ford Escort uses electricity from the alternator to initiate the electrolysis process to make the HHO gas out of water, explained Lusko. That gas is then pumped to the manifold and into the gas tank.
"The gas then bonds with the gasoline in the gas tank," Lusko said, "and then upon combustion, that's when you get the reaction, giving you higher gas mileage and cleaner emissions."
Why not run a car with exclusively HHO gas?
"We have combustion engines here that have run completely on our Aquygen," Lusko said, "but it would be a matter of engineering."
Lusko says in tests the mileage of the hybrid vehicle has improved anywhere from 25 to 53 percent.
"Spoken like one of those guys" who understands potential energy.
But also, bear in mind that the US Military uses a lot of fuel. If this existed, the DoD would be switching BIG TIME. The inventor couldn't stop them. The military, IIRC, are not bound by patent law.
It's called electrolysis. Nothing new. If you put a charge across water, it dissociates into Hydrogen gas and Oxygen gas. Calling it "Aquygen" is the scam part.
It takes as much energy to dissociate the water as you get back during combustion. It would burn clean. I don't get the bit about combining it with gasoline (?). Using your alternator to run an electrolysis to create your own fuel would leave you with an energy deficit due to inefficiencies in combustion.
That would make it very hard to manufacture an internal combustion engine, wouldn't it?
This stuff would melt whatever substance was used to machine the cylinders, valves and pistons.
I saw Jethro do this on The Beverly Hillbillies.
Not to mention DOE and DOD.
Forgive me, oh Potentate of Potential Energy.
I think I'll just see what can come from the inspired mind of man before I lump anyone into the "crazy" or "scam-artist" pile.
Isn't there a ban on dihydrogen monoxide in St. Pete?
It's not a scam, per se, but it's not a solution either. Electrolysis is not a new concept, we ran several experiments using the process back in 7th grade basic science.
An alternator is spinning all the time a car's running, you should be able to harvest any of the electricity produced that isn't being used by the car's electrical system and run the car more efficiently.
However, there's no free lunch, and no perpetual motion machines. The electricity required to seperate water isn't free, nor does it appear magically from thin air.
There's no doubt that this guy knows all this, so his claims are somewhat deceptive.
Wow, dude, way to violate the first law of thermodynamics. High five!
I can't speak for anyone but myself, but a close friend e-mailed me this guy's pitch last week and asked me if he (my friend) should invest in this "cold flame that can melt tungsten" guy. I checked it out at some length, after first watching his video. And having done so, I can say, in all confidence, and with essentially zero chance of being wrong, now, and forever, that this... is... a...
Scam.
In California some men have developed an electric hybrid car. The batteries are much better than what the auto industry are using...stands heads above the batteries Toyota is using. The cars go 100 miles on one charge at speeds we're use to. They've pulled the batteries out of the Toyota's and used the other batteries. You only have to fill your car up with gas around every 6 wks. They've got kits to change any car to this hybrid car. Kits are around $10,000.
For the record, this company is developing a Humvee with this process for the Department of Defense. He also has been contacted by Lockheed and General Dynamics.
http://www.cnn.com/video/player/player.html?url=/video/tech/2006/05/23/patrick.fl.h2o.car.wtvt
It's a scam.
You are far from the first because this keeps geting posted as it slithers its way through the Media.
A cynical fraud of the type that aways surfaces as soon as energy costs rise, the only saving grace is that when this one relieves idiots of their money, at least the funds will stay here, rather than Nigeria.
They're pumping it into schools! There's even talk about putting it in ice cream, Mandrake...children's ice cream! It's monstrous...
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