Presidential Irresponsiblility

National Review Online ^ | 5/22/06 | Mark R. Levin

[brytlea]

I'm not sure, but I hear the same tired lines in virtually every post.
susie

[Huck]

Actually, most wouldn't have seen it as a flip flop, but rather as an epiphany.

Sure but that's spin. If you take position A and then switch to position Z, it's a flip-flop.

[Huck]

Apparently the line today is the same as it was 20 years ago.

[theFIRMbss]

>Reduced to calling our side Nazis now, eh? That's typically the last refuge of scoundrels . . .

What's our side, sucker? I don't hear Bush saying that the guys cutting lawns are an invasion. Republicans ain't Nazis. But some fringe groups are . . .

[dirtboy]

What's our side, sucker?

Gee, maybe the folks running around FR who are so bereft of actual debating points that they have been reduced to name-calling and slurs?

But some fringe groups are .

Ah, so because a couple of skinheads don't like Mexicans, you can therefore associate an entire political movement with such, eh?

Kinda like Slick did, associating conservatives with McVeigh. It was despicable when he did it, and it's despicable when you do it.

[brytlea]

I guess in your world. I would say that if you get more information, it's an epihpahy.
susie

[brytlea]

or an epiphany. Hmm....I used to be a much better typist....
susie

[Huck]

It's not either/or. It would be an epiphany that resulted in a flip-flop.

[Alberta's Child]

I happen to believe that if there were no taxpayer funded services there would be millions upon millions fewer illegal aliens here today, and most people wouldn't care much about those who were here.

Then you agree with me. The problem isn't illegal immigration -- it's the damn taxpayer-funded services.

Trying to "fix" illegal immigration without forcing Americans to undergo a major change in their attitude about "free" public services is like leaving your garbage unprotected outside in cans at night and then demanding that the local animal control officials come and deal with the raccoons that come to feed on the trash.

[Edgar3]

...funny how not of you screamer know anything at ALL about the Real Reagan. All your brains are belong to drugs

[brytlea]

Flip-flop has a negative connotation. You can use it if you like. I would prefer to call it (in this case) a change in position based on new information.
susie

[brytlea]

I sort of agree with you. I do still think illegal immigration might be a problem from the standpoint of unsecured borders. I just think far fewer people would care.
susie

[taxed2death]

"Gee for all the screaming about being the "Base" the "Real Conservatives" managed to move President Bush's number from 45% to 35%. Seems they are NOT a signinficat force in American politics at all. Seems a pretty glaring statement of political irrelevance when all you can brag about is 10% of the population. Good luck with your 10% of the vote 3rd Party. Way to chop off your own political nose to spite your own face. Gee simply amazing how the Perpetually Pissed would rather have 100% of nothing then 60% of something. After 70 years being on the Political Fridges, it seems the "Real Conservatives" lack either the intellectual or emotional discipline to be a Majority party.

Have fun being completely political irrelevant. For all yourself laudatory supposed adulation for Ronald Reagan, funny how not of you screamer know anything at ALL about the Real Reagan. Regan understood how to use incremental ism, all you people know how to do is cry because you don't only get 100% of what you want right NOW.

Curious "Reagan man" how come all you perpetual bitchers never ever, even for a heart beat, bother to think about Reagan's 11th Commandment?

You people are no Reagan men. He knew how to win, you all just know how to bitch about EVERYTHING."

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Your whole post is about how a certain sector of people are apparently "irrelevant"

Well, you're posting to them, what does that make you?

Don't you have something useful to do with your time?

[djf]

It's 20 million now? Every time I see this number, it's different.

Every time I see this number, it's growing!

[taxed2death]

"....that changed the voting demographics of this country for the foreseeable future.. by the votes of Undocumented Illegal and Documented Legal Insurgents(and their familys to be imported in the future).."


that's the freaking 10 ton elephant in the corner of the room that the b-bots can't seem to see.

1. GWB gets his "earned citizenship".

2. 12 million, or 17 million, or 22 million or what ever number is bandied about this week people are made "legal"..

3. Within a few years....every one of them can import 16 of their family members.

Do the math.

How many of these people will vote Republican?


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Who's selling out the Republicans? GWB, that's who.

[GiovannaNicoletta]

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[KeyLargo]

Former Bush backer urges Republican split

Posted at 1:55pm on 22 May 2006

In an open split with the US President George Bush, a powerful American conservative lobbyist has called for like-minded Americans to stop funding the Republican Party and start an independent movement instead.

Richard Viguerie was instrumental in cementing the winning coalitions behind Ronald Reagan in 1980 and George W Bush in 2000 but he has now declared conservatives have become disillusioned with congressional Republicans.

He has called on conservatives to form a powerful movement that is independent of any party and boycott November's election.

Instead, he suggests that they lay the groundwork for an election campaign in 2008 and hope that a new generation of conservative leaders has emerged by then.
Ominous sign

Mr Viguerie's public outburst is seen as another ominous sign for the party less than six months before the November congressional vote.

A Washington Post-ABC News opinion poll released last week found Republican disapproval of Mr Bush's presidency has increased from 16% to 30% in just one month.

Mr Viguerie has acknowledged that a conservative boycott in November will likely spell defeat for the Republicans but insists it would be for the long-term good of the conservative movement.

Traditional conservatives, who abhor big government and excessive spending, equate abortion with murder and emphasise individualism, have always formed the so-called "base" of the Republican Party and determined its political viability.
http://www.radionz.co.nz/news/latest/200605221354/9490502

[Irene Adler]

"Sure but that's spin. If you take position A and then switch to position Z, it's a flip-flop."

Are you saying that a massive change in circumstances such as 9/11 does not merit a change in position toward a significant increase in border and immigration control? Such a change in position would be a "flip-flop"? I strongly disagree.

[workerbee]

Well, good luck with that windmill, Senor Quixote...

;-)

[Huck]

No one has any intention of sealing the borders, so no, I don't think 9-11 makes a diffence. If bad guys want to get into the US, we probably can't stop them. Does anyone really expect the entire border around the whole of the US to be sealed tight and locked? Dream on.