The myth of the easy machine gun

The Star ^ | 5/21/6 | Michael Bowers

[OSHA]

It doesn't matter. All that counts is that he makes some statement that the "popular opinion polls" show is supported by the masses who shape their opinions based on TV shows.

It didn't help when, during the "assault" weapon ban debate, every nightly newscast without fail showed a film clip of a full auto weapon being fired.

[SampleMan]

Its worth noting that the M-1 could have easily had full auto capability and a removable magazine, like the M-14, but the military thought it would be far more lethal if the soldiers were to aim vice spray.

Also worth note is that after going the selective fire route, the U.S. military decided to introduce burst selection in order to gain more lethality over full auto.

Full auto is only a plus at close quarters or when using it as a psychological tool to get peoples heads down.

[Boiling point]

Semi-automatic versions of military full auto guns, in order to be approved for sale by the BATFE, must differ enough internally, so that you cant even use or install the military internals and make it full-auto. I am not talking about just complex missing parts, but pin holes and part alignments have been moved on the civilian version. If you have the knowledge and machine tools to convert one, then you could also build the entire gun from scratch.

[300winmag]

Despite that, this is a good piece and it explains that the conversion isn't going to be done by a schoolkid with a nail file and a screwdriver.

Never mind how "easy" it is to convert, I'm still looking for the klinton-era web sites where "chilron" could just click a mouse and get an automatic weapon, for free. I'm too lazy to risk a functional semi trying to convert it into something I can't hit the broad side of a barn with.

Despite all the wonderful search engines today, I still can't find those "readily available" sites that contain perfect images of American currency, ready to be cranked out with any publishing software on any ol' kind of printer. I guess it's just something more of the golden era of the klintons we've lost.

[paul51]

The true motive behind this ban is to take another sneaky step toward prohibition of all private firearms of every kind.

Bingo

[taxcontrol]

Or the M3 grease gun... I favor long shot accuracy myself but that is a different subject.

[Farmer Dean]

My wife and I own a fair collection of weapons including several registered full autos.In my opinion,the most deadly gun we have is a Remington 700 heavy barrel.Easily effective to 800 meters if you have the skills to use it properly.

[supercat]

It's easy to modify something like an SKS so it will "probably" fire multiple rounds without you having to pull the trigger for each one. Indeed, if you stick some gunk in the bolt so the firing pin jams forward, it will probably fire a bunch of rounds without you having to pull the trigger at all.

Of course, such a weapon would be extremely dangerous to everyone--including the shooter. For safe operation, locked-breach firearms need a mechanism to ensure that a round cannot be fired before be breech is locked. This is typically handled by disconnecting the trigger from the sear until the bolt carrier is fully forward. Disabling this mechanism may cause such a firearm to fire full auto, but only until it jams on an improperly-ejected or loaded cartridge, blows up from a ruptured casing, stops because the hammer either falls before it can fire a round or else snags on the bolt carrier, or has some other calamity.

[supercat]

How does the amount of lead that a blunderbus could fire in less than a second compare with the amount of lead an M-16 could fire in 10 seconds (using a standard magazine)?

For that matter, how does a "sporting" shotgun like the 870 (4+1 capacity) compare? How about with a still-legal 6+1 capacity?

[Sam Cree]

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[Lancer_N3502A]

Winchester M70 in .30-06 w/ 4x12 40mm scope. Dead on at 750 yards...8-D

[Red6]

People base the "opinions" on shows like Law and Order. The rest is done by our factual MSM which reports about bolt action 22 caliber assault rifles.

[Sender]

It's an incremental strategy. First the "machine guns" because they're scary and dangerous. Then "assault weapons" and semi-automatics because they look and sound scary and dangerous. Next, handguns because they are easily concealed. Then rifles, because they are too powerful and accurate. Shotguns? Devastating wounds and no one needs to hunt anymore. Anything left? Grab that too. There. Peace and utopia.

[Hot Tabasco]

during the "assault" weapon ban debate

The absolutely best statement of ignorance I have ever heard came from Detroit's WXYZ reporter Bill Proctor who was reporting on a shooting that occured in Detroit.

He said "...police are looking for a SMITH AND WESSON .45 CALIBER GLOCK PISTOL......

He not only said it once but twice in the 6:00 a.m. news hour so it was not a mistake of my hearing going bad........

[The KG9 Kid]

People buy those DIAS'es and find out that it's not a solution for several reasons that I won't list here. In short, it's not enough.

[OkeyDokeyOkie]

Funny how Journalists know so little of guns, yet write so much about them, as they do about military and war...
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Funny how liberal politicians and their robotic disciples know so little of guns,the military, and the cost of freedom, yet they rail on and on and on with their endless PC palaver.

[SampleMan]

The simple fact that full-auto guns aren't being illegally manufactured, despite the ease with which that could be done, indicates how misguied the "assault weapon" argument is.

With a small, but modern machine shop and 2-4 people, hundreds of guns a week could be produced.

[ExSoldier]

This all got started because it came out that the original MAC-10 could be converted to full auto in about ten seconds with a flat head screwdriver. That was the 1980s and things really went crazy from there.

[Lazamataz]

I once got into an argument with a know-it-all hoplophobe at my brother's house who claimed that all you had to do to convert an AK rifle from semi to full-auto was file down "some part". I asked if he meant the sear. "I guess so." I then proceeded to educate him that the only thing you would get with a filed-down sear on an AK was an inoperable weapon. That really ticked him off so he did the usual liberal thing and started ad hominem attacks on me, the NRA, the Republican Party, and every other group he did not agree with.

You do realize that, in his mind, he won that argument?

[oldenuff2no]

And the BS anti gun machine continues to lie. I'm a retired combat vet, and a gun smith.
The semi-auto versions of the popular military look alike rifles are a pain in the butt to convert. You can buy a set of templates but you better be a machinist and a gunsmith or you will never get the job done. The first thing you have to do is open up the rifle and toss out most of the existing parts then turn on the lathe and mill and make the replacement parts. After a few days machining the new parts, put on your gunsmith hat and fit them all together. Now all you have to do is polish all the surfaces and assemble your new toy for test firing.
Now you have 4 days into your project and in may or may not fire like you want it to. You have already committed a felony and it will cost you your ability to work on or even own firearms for the rest of your life.
Because of the loss of income you won't be able to pay the house payment or buy food for your kids. I'm sure that all of you can imagine the long line of college educated smith/machinists who are lined up to preform this conversion just so they can ruin their lives and spend some time in prison. The anti gun idiots do not have a dozen functioning brain cell between them.