Giuliani vs. McCain

Real Clear politics ^ | 5/19/06 | Ryan Sager

[Blackirish]

Well the Social conservative litmus test voters better get on the dime and find someone electable....don't expect the libertarian wing to do the heavy lifting for you.

Or plan to sit home

[McGavin999]

It doesn't matter if the president is pro-choice etc. because it's the congress that makes the laws. The major problem with be with the USSC, but if two more slots are filled in the next two years, it won't matter who is president. That way we can pick the person who will be strong on national security and immigration.

I'll tell you right now, in a choice between Rudy and McCain? No choice at all, I'd vote Rudy.

[Blackirish]

You and I know that. But you will never convince some on this board.
First Rudy knows he'll have to cut to the right on these issues to get the nod and he will.
He will say that after 9/11 his views on open borders has changed and he will secure the border with a fence.
If he gets a SCOTUS pick he will promise to pick one in the mold of Alito and Roberts.
That will prolly nail it down good enough.
Pearle can say that if Rudy is nominated they'll stay home or not vote. Just as the far-left will say the same for Hillary.
Fine... but they will be a minority here and an insiffnificant group in the general

[Blackirish]

people/insignificant...there.

[SE Mom]

As far as I'm concerned- anything pre-September 11 is null and void. I'll pay attention to what Rudy says NOW about this issue.

[VRWC For Truth]

Rudi is tough on crime and demands government accountability. IMHO, Ruid is GW with a backbone and none of the "new tone" comedy. McInsane would be owned by the MSM. The traitor McShame isn't going anywhere.

[Alberta's Child]

. . . his education is Catholic, and so are his principles.

I have no idea what goes on inside someone else's head, but I can tell you that Mr. Giuliani hasn't given any indication that he's had a "Catholic principle" in his mind in decades.

On that score, McCain is out. Who does that leave us with? Excuse me, but I don't think George Allen can win.

I have no idea who that leaves "us" with (I'm not a Republican, so I don't know what "us" means in this context). I can assure you, however, that Rudy Giuliani will never be elected President of the United States.

[Alberta's Child]

As the mayor of New York -- at a bare freaking minimum -- he had an obligation to obey all Federal laws regarding immigration. Rudy's problem as mayor wasn't that he was lax on immigration policy -- it was that his actions in office constituted a clear violation of a Federal law (Section 642[a] of the 1996 Illegal Immigration Reform and Immigrant Responsibility Act) that had been passed specifically to deal with cities that had implemented "sanctuary" policies like New York City had done.

As I've said here before on FreeRepublic, I never thought I'd see the day when so-called "conservatives" would support a liberal presidential candidate who ought to be serving time in a Federal prison right now.

[Sabramerican]

Is there a single local municipality in this Nation where illegals are turned in the Federal Government when they seek medical or police aid.

I want my politicians to act reasonably. I explained why a mayor in a city such as NY could act no different then how Giuliani acted.

The Governmental obligation failed at the Federal level in allowing them in. I would bet under Giuliani they wouldn't get in so easy.

[WestVirginiaRebel]

I think in the end it will be a good opportunity for Allen to quietly build support. I have nothing against Rudy winning the primary, but history is littered with the remains of front-runner who were the "Sure thing." Let's see how the mid-terms play out first.

[Alberta's Child]

Is there a single local municipality in this Nation where illegals are turned in the Federal Government when they seek medical or police aid.

Is there a single local municipality in this nation where the chief executive went to such great lengths to openly -- and proudly -- announce his intention to ignore a Federal law on this matter? And to then have the BALLS to suggest that he's somehow presidential material?!?!?

Actually, I shouldn't be too harsh on Rudy. He's never actually said he wants to run for president. In fact, I've long said that he has no intention of even entering the 2008 White House race. He knows better than anyone that he'd be subject to a humiliating Mondale-like defeat of historic proportions.

[Blackirish]

I agree it'll prolly come down to Rudy vs Allen.

Social conservatives will be more sympathetic to Allen.

However....Rudy will whip Allen in the debates.
Also Allen's fortunes are tied to W's. He is another big-spending, Southern, GOP insider.

If things don't dramatical turn around for W..... Allen will be viewed as unelectable.

[Alberta's Child]

I would bet under Giuliani they wouldn't get in so easy.

And that's exactly your problem. You have no evidence to support this, and yet you insist that it must somehow be the case.

Aside from all his political/philosophical baggage that will make it hard for him to garner support among conservatives, Giuliani's own track record gives every indication that he is woefully deficient even for issues on which people think he would do very well!

[Blackirish]

And yes.... no matter what get out and vote in November

[Sabramerican]

Oh, you think that's a negative.

Municipal officers do the same thing but only Giuliani stands up and says this is crap. It is not the responsibility of local officials to manage immigration.

I say it shows leadership.

Sure, if he runs, he may be defeated for the nomination by those with logic such as you display.

And you'll get a Democrat President and like it. How does President Gore sound?

[Sabramerican]

You doubt Giuliani would be tough on the border? LOL

[Alberta's Child]

Sure, if he runs, he may be defeated for the nomination by those with logic such as you display. And you'll get a Democrat President and like it. How does President Gore sound?

President Gore? LOL. I don't think so.

If Rudy Giuliani were to win the GOP nomination in 2008, I could easily see a bizarre scenario unfolding where a Democrat (Mark Warner) wins a landslide of historic proportions -- simply by mounting a very credible campaign as the more conservative candidate in the race.

If you really believe this country would ever elect a president who is a short, bald, Italian-American from New York City who wears glasses and has a minor speech impediment, you have no understanding of U.S. politics.

[RightWinger]

I don't like either one of them.
I may finally vote third party.

[Alberta's Child]

You doubt Giuliani would be tough on the border?

Yes, I do. And you have no evidence to support your contention that he would be any different than the morons inside the Beltway that are trying to address the issue right now.

[greyfoxx39]

Rudy doesn't have the "kook" factor to deal with like John "It was the strawberrys, I tell ya" McCain.

I disagree about the kook factor...I don't think McCain is a kook, I believe he is totally, certifiably Insane!