Posted on 05/18/2006 6:28:52 PM PDT by rcocean
WASHINGTON (Reuters) - The U.S. Senate blocked an effort on Thursday to limit Social Security benefits for illegal immigrants who would become permanent residents under a sweeping immigration overhaul being debated by lawmakers.
The Senate immigration bill would give millions of the estimated 11 million to 12 million illegal immigrants in the country a path to citizenship as long as they pay a fine and back taxes and meet such requirements as learning English.
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A pox on them. We only have 20% of the population of Mexico here, so did we also give our Social Security to the rest?
Yes, sir got to protect the old up stairs, down stair maid.
Notice how I said legally. If they labor under a false or stolen SSN, they are screwed, as they should be.
BUMP for later action. Work to vote the idiots out!
I can offer you anecdotal evidence that a lot of them don't pay in. I know for a fact that some of their employers are crooks who don't pay social security or withholding for their illegal employees. So now we're going to burden a failing system with the additional burden of paying out to people who never put anything into the system. I really am beginning to think that Congress is getting us into a crisis here, in a bid to get illegal votes. And 300 miles of fence is just a waste of money.
I'm not so sure about the President, his hands are basically tied without Congressional action. Oh, he can do some things, like promise a fence, but Congress needs to approve this, no?
The Senate, however, should be dealt with for treason. They make me ill...or like someone above stated: "sit down and have heaving cry."
We need to contact the Senators on this, make them feel the heat until they see the light:
http://www.humaneventsonline.com/article.php?id=13155
I don't even think I'M going to get anything back, and I'm a citizen from birth...ah...that's from BOTH U.S. CITIZEN parents type birth.
I'm for this being another line they go to the back of and wait their turn. --Yah, that's if they start feelin' like doing things legally for a change.
My thoughts as sent to a Senator:
Legalization of illegal immigrants ie, amnesty, is a terrible idea that would have many bad effects on this country. Please oppose it.
Amensty in 1986 worsened our immigration situation by enticing more lawbreakers, and this legalization/amnesty is doing the same, only on a more massive scale. Politically, this will help the Democrats with an enlarged welfare state client base. Economically, it means higher taxes for the middle class to pay for welfare benefits for millions of legalized indigents.
A TRUE comprehensive immigration bill does NOT include amnesty, It includes: Enforcing the law rigorously - including employer sanctions, employment verification, and the CLEAR Act, to get state and local enforcement involved; having reasonable visa/immigration levels to accomodate employment needs; true border security; streamlined deportation that eliminates many hidden amensties; ending birthright citizenship, sibling sponsorhsip and diversity quotas, so 'chain migration' is limited.
I hope you support the above formula and not the extremely flawed Hagel-Martinez and similar bills.
I'm sure the IRS does. If the number they use matches one that exists, whoever's number that really is will get stuck with the back taxes - plus penalties and interest. It will be up to them to prove otherwise.
Years ago a friend of mine was notified he owed tens of thousands to the IRS for jobs in states he never lived in. Apparently someone was using his SS number for jobs. Don't know if he ever got it straightened out. He died of cancer two years after he was first notified. His family probably got stuck fighting it.
So, not only are the illegals not paying any of the payroll taxes like SS and medicare and medicaid, but if they are using a number that does exist out there, some American taxpayer is going to have a hell of a time fighting the IRS. - Another benefit of cheap labor. /sarc
"I'm not so sure about the President, his hands are basically tied without Congressional action. Oh, he can do some things, like promise a fence,"
What he could have done was raid the *HUNDREDS* of job sites that were closed on May 1.
We have 10 million illegal immigrants ... and we deported last year ... HOW MANY?!?!?!
Well, let's just see:
1) they come here illegally
2) they drive without licences or insurance which is illegal
3) they get fake SS cards which is illegal
I'm sure they lie all the time about things because they are illegal.
It's kind of like when a person cheats on their spouse. They end up doing a lot more damage than just the cheating.
We're being sold out. Why else replace the traditional melting pot with multi-culturalism? Throw in the fact that immigrants lower the wages elites must pay their peons and it's a done deal. Our leaders are phasing out our historic population and replacing it with another one, more to our leaders' liking.
Good letter. And thanks for the link. Bump for later.
How can they get SS back when the card they used is fake???
We keep hearing that America is a nation of immigrants. That's true, but there are two things they leave out:
**Every nation on earth is a nation of immigrants. It's just that the immigration in most cases occurred much longer ago, and thus isn't as clear in most nation's historical memory as it is in America. And with the exception of a few isolated islands (such as Iceland or Fiji), you'd be hard pressed to find a place where you could state with certainty that the current inhabitants are the descendants of the first inhabitants.
In the case of America we're told over and over that we're uniquely a nation of immigrants and thus should welcome continued unlimited immigration. But nations become nations because at some point they cut off immigration. Maybe not entirely, but they seal their borders and start being selective about the limited number of people they let in. That's how Sweden became Swedish, how China became Chinese, and so on.
But we're told that America must never seal our borders, and that we were evil for doing so on occasion in the past (such as circa 1924-1964). We're a "nation of immigrants", so we must forever be open to additional mass immigration.
This is combined with the guilt constantly foisted upon us for "taking this land from others." But with a few island exceptions, every nation on earth may be occupied by people who took the land from others. Again, it's just that it happened further back in history than in our case, in some cases so far back that it's in pre-history. And for all we know (Kennewick Man, and other anthropological discoveries) the Indians who preceded us took the land from someone else, not to mention that Indian tribes constantly warred with one another and pushed each other off territory. But, of course, all that is to be forgotten. We're only supposed to remember the evils of the European colonists.
**We're constantly reminded of the now iconic immigration wave of the Ellis Island era, as if the current wave has anything in common with it. The differences are enormous:
1) Ellis Island immigrants were all legal. Our current immigrant wave includes millions of illegals. The difference is like night and day, like the difference between buying a car and stealing one. Yet our media and politicians act as if immigration is immigration, so what difference does it make if they're legal or not? Thus, opposition to ILLEGAL immigration becomes "immigrant bashing", which is like calling it "motorist bashing" to oppose car theft.
2) We have a larger population now than in the Ellis era. It's one thing to welcome teeming masses when you have plenty of wide open spaces. It's another when urban sprawl is taking an increasing share of the land in many states.
3) We had no welfare state of any consequence during the Ellis era. People who came here had no choice but to work. That's not the case now. We have a full cornucopia of welfare programs, food stamps, AFDC, medicaid, and other goodies to which immigrants (including illegals) are instantly entitled, not to mention affirmative action programs to give them preference over people actually born here, in-state tuition (which Americans from just across the state line can't receive), and so on.
4) Immigrants in the Ellis era had to learn English. Period. End of discussion. Now, of course, we welcome immigrants to our "multi-lingual" society. To save immigrants to rigors of learning the language of the land to which they migrated, we're all supposed to accommodate their languages. And don't pay attention to the English-only amendment the Senate adopted yesterday. It says English will be America's language unless federal law says otherwise, which is like passing an amendment authorizing Swahili to be our national language unless federal law says otherwise.
5) Ellis immigrants likely did actually lower wages in America, but the current immigrants lower them more. Americans during the Ellis era had relatively little formal education compared to today. Circa 1900, only an elite minority went to college, and millions of Americans quit school before graduation to work on the family farm, or in the family grocery store, or whatever. The immigrants arriving on our shores then weren't appreciably below them in formal education levels. Today's immigrants are. We have people with third grade education flooding a land where millions of people have advanced degrees, and the majority at least graduated high school, and many millions have college degrees. Thus, the serious reduction in our overall wages.
6) Ellis immigrants arrived in a melting pot. Current immigrants arrive in a supposed multi-cultural "utopia" based on "diversity". Ellis immigrants came here and had no option but to become Americans. No one begrudged them the right to cherish memories and traditions of their homeland, but they were expected to be Americans first and Germans, Poles, or (fill in the blank) second. There's a huge difference between an American who happens to be of Armenian descent, and an Armenian who happens to live in America. Our current immigrants are becoming comparable to the latter. They're Mexicans (or some other nationality) who just happen to live here. They're Mexicans first, and American only second, and maybe not at all. Over time, we'll be like the Balkans, with feuding racial, religious, and cultural groups each claiming their particular turf.
7) Ellis immigrants came from overseas during an era when transportation was still difficult. You couldn't just hop a plane and fly back home each weekend. You severed most of your ties to your homeland when you came here. Today's immigrants come mostly from right next door, maintain close affinity with their homeland, and travel back there with ease, decreasing the likelihood that they'll fully become American, and feuling Reconquista ideas.
Sorry for the long post, but those are a few ideas I'd like our cowardly and traitorous politicians to consider.
"How can they get SS back when the card they used is fake???"
They become legal citizens under the amnesty, then prove they worked "illegally for x years" under a stolen/fraudulent SSN.
They get a new "legal" SSN and then get credit for the years worked. Once you work x number of years, you are in the system and due SS payments when you retire and SS payments if you are disabled. Also, you get SS benefits for your kids if you die.
Then why not arrest them at that time for SS fraud?
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