Posted on 05/17/2006 7:47:58 AM PDT by Pukin Dog
Edited on 05/17/2006 8:30:59 AM PDT by Lead Moderator. [history]
"A house divided against itself cannot stand." – Abraham Lincoln, 1858
It is getting somewhat strange around these parts when not only the President, but yesterday the First Lady was personally attacked by someone claiming to be a ‘Conservative’. Can there be any doubt that there are forces among us looking to drive a wedge between us?
A few weeks ago, this forum’s owner attempted to remind all of us of the big picture, that regardless of any personal animosity towards the President or Republican Party over their adherence to Conservative principles, that they are still a clear choice over the alternative Democrat Party rule. At that time, I assumed that FReeper-sanity had been restored, and that some of the negative rhetoric aimed at those in Washington D.C. would be dialed back.
Free Republic is a political forum with a proud history and vision, responsible for dragging Dan Rather from his post, and providing countless radio-talk shows with their daily talking points. FReepers are unique in their determination and energy towards protecting and defending the goals of our Founding Fathers.
We are also quite a powder keg of emotion and anticipation, expecting our Republican majorities to take advantage of this opportunity to make permanent gains in our Conservative agenda. Some might argue that this opportunity has been squandered, but those persons would be ignorant of history, lacking understanding that change cannot occur overnight in Washington, and that this is the way our Founders designed our Republic.
In frustration, impatience, and ignorance, we have allowed this forum to become a haven for those who do not share our Conservative goals. I do not blame our enemies anymore then I would blame a scorpion for stinging me. If anger and stupidity were one’s nature, I would expect the trolls that infect this forum to be angry and stupid consistently, which also makes them somewhat easy to detect.
The trolls are not the problem, though. The problem is that so many of us are allowing ourselves to be taken in by those who seek only to prevent us from going to the polls in November to keep their stinking hands off our government for another term. There can be no doubt, that no matter how disappointing our current government has been in promoting the Conservative agenda, that the alternative, enabled by our staying home will be MUCH worse.
The way to deal with Republicans who have actively worked against our goals is to defeat them in Primary elections. We do not even have to defeat them all, only enough of them to send the message that we will indeed target them if they work against our agenda. It should be the goal of EVERY conservative to see that Lincoln Chaffee is defeated in November. His seat is one we can afford to lose. Were I a Rhode Island resident, I would vote for the Democrat if only to send a message to Snowe, Hagel, Collins, Graham, and especially that bastard Specter that their primaries just got a lot tougher.
We only need to get one of them, and Chaffee is the one to get. It does not really matter if a Democrat takes his seat; he will be junior and mute as long as we maintain our overall majority in the Senate.
The one thing that bothers me here like nothing else, is the simple disrespect of the President. Am I am Bush-Bot? Damn straight I am. If you want to know why, click on my handle to read Southack’s excellent list of Bush’s accomplishments in office. But if Bush had done almost nothing in office, it would be no excuse for some of the slights and disrespect he has received from some of us on this forum.
Some of the things I have read here this past week match in tone what one can find on our favorite Democrat sewer site. Someone calling himself or herself a FReeper was promoting shooting aliens at the border until they stopped coming. Is that what we are about? Obviously not, and that so-called Conservative has been eliminated from this forum.
I think it is important to remember that you and I have just as much responsibility as George Bush does in changing our culture to better reflect Conservative values. Right now, this very moment, Conservatives have the government they deserve. We put them there. They are not our mommies and daddies sent out to bring home our Conservative bread. That responsibility lies with all of us. These Republicans represent us, they don’t serve us. Our job is to pick the best individual and send him/her to Washington in the hope that their CHARACTER will see them through.
This is why it is such a nutty thing to consider punishing the Republican party, when we should be letting them know that we’ve got their back, but if they cant do the job, we will replace them with ANOTHER Republican, instead of handing the reigns of government to the party of anger, hopelessness and despair. We sometimes like to think that those people we send to Washington are different from us, that they are capable of meeting our every need and desire.
I want every one of you to think about what you would consider to be your perfect mate. Maybe some of you think you have found that person. If you are married and totally in love with another person, that is great. Now I want to ask you to think about the last time that person you love, who is PERFECT for you, completely pissed you off. Remember, this is your perfect mate, your one true love. Do they do everything you want them to do? Obey your every desire? If you answer yes, I am going to put you on my troll list.
Those people in Washington do not even cut your lawn, yet you expect perfection. Get over it.
I am issuing a challenge to every person who considers him or her to be a Conservative; why don’t we all commit to a return to HONOR? Do we honor our Conservative agenda when we comport ourselves in disgraceful ways? Is it an honorable thing to suggest that our President is a moron, as I read here a few days ago? Is it honorable to attack Laura Bush or any other person representing true Conservative values?
Some of you might argue that George Bush is not representing Conservative values to your liking. I would remind you that the first thing Bush said upon taking office, is that he was going to be President of ALL the people, not just some. You know that if you followed Bush from the beginning that he campaigned of the very immigration platform he is defending right now. Did you vote for him? Yeah?
If you have ever had a steak at a Ruth’s Chris restaurant, you know that sometimes they bring that wonderful steak to your table with a sprig of parsley on it. I hate parsley. Hate it. If I were to treat my steak the way some of us want to treat our President, I would have to throw out the steak, due to that nasty parsley that comes with it. I can deal with the parsley to get the steak, and that is what I am asking FReepers to do.
Expecting perfection from any person, group or team is a recipe for disaster. George W. Bush is my president. You can disagree with him, you can blame him for your problems if that is your desire. If you disrespect his office, his service, his risking his life to be with our troops in Iraq, his steadfast desire to bring a new tone to Washington, or if you just like the way he keeps Democrats so pissed off they lose their minds on a regular basis, I ask you to treat him and his wife with respect and cut the personal attacks. If you call him ‘Shrub’ or ‘Jorge’ consider yourself my enemy.
Right now, our real enemy are the Main Stream Media, the Democrat Party, and all who follow and support them. If you want to jump-ugly on someone, why not start with those leaky bastards and give our side a break?
Do it for Pukin.
I knew that you could.
Well, you are an elitist by your own admission and you support Bush's postion on this. And the Senate compromise Bush was promoting was made possible by all but two Dem senators voting for it. And the rabble in the streets you decried earlier are the end beneficiaries - if Bush gets his way, they get to stay here.
Man, you are making a pretty piss-poor case that the elitists have a clue, let alone should be trusted with power.
What you need to explain is why, as you rail against the Party of Treason, President Bush, who you support on this issue, got almost complete support from the Party of Treason to get his agenda through the Senate.
You never quite get to that part.
Your reference to "rabble" in history touches a nerve with me, Justshutupandtakeit. Review this link, understand that I count Benjamin Merrell and Ninian Hamilton among my ancestors, and then come back to me with whatever point it is, that you're wanting to make.
http://www.cccdesigns.biz/mmbattle.htm
You just decried the rabble in the streets at the pro-illegal rallies. And who is working to allow them to stay here legally? Senate Dems. Senate RINOs. And President Bush.
This is what is generally known as a conundrum. But you tend to simply pretend it does not exist.
"When you know what is best for the world, the little people should just shut up."
And take it.
The rabble ARE the RAT base. Those are the ones whose reputation you are so vehemently defending from elitists like myself.
If you believe Bush's plan is what these scum are trying to achieve then you are a bigger fool than I thought.
You just said the rabble was the folks protesting in the streets. And once again, who is seeking to have them stay here legally? Senate Dems. Senate RINOs. And President Bush. Over the votes of conservatives.
So once again, will you confront this conundrum? Or just continue to pretend it doesn't work by running from Rabble to Rat?
Fool? Once again, who is Bush allied with on this issue? Why, the very Party of Treason you decry.
And the rabble you spoke of who are protesting in the streets? Who is promoting their agenda? Senate Dems. Senate RINOs. And President Bush.
Conundrum.
If you have ever seen any post by me praising the communication skills of the GOP please just shoot me for being too stupid to live.
That's the message I'm hearing. Of course, the folks making these enlightened decisions never have to live anywhere near the consequences for such. And will expect us to continue to fork over the tax dollars for their pensions as our country withers.
Politics makes strange bedfellows. This is an original insight.
You are the one running around shrieking about the Party of Treason (and I agree, the Dems are bad news).
So then, when Bush allies with the Party of Treason to promote a bad Senate Bill that will give the rabble marching in the streets what they and the Party of Treason want, all you can say to that is "Politics makes strange bedfellows?" There isn't the teensiest, eensiest possible notion in your noggin that, given all your rants about how bad the Dems are, that Bush being allied with them to outvote conservatives MIGHT JUST INDICATE he is on the wrong side of this issue?
We'll throw the whiners some Grey Poupon for their finger sandwiches as we drive by.... :-D
That's all I'm asking. I'm not trying to connvince those on the other side to come to mine. I am insistantly repeating my points in as reasonable manner as possible, while encouraging all factions to do the same.
Keywords here: "reasonable", civilized" "intelligent" debate, which lock right into a keyphrase that we all out to try some Democrat Pavlovian association with. I HATE repeating myself, I'm FAMOUS for it, yet that is what I find myself doing over and over and over...the thing hasn't even got past the MOST IMPORTANT STAGE of it's possible passage: debate and comptomise in committee, and already there is a concerted effort to Miers the whole thing off the table! WHY, I ask you, WHY?
Sure. Hiking taxes is bad.
You missed my point.
My point is that we COULD, meaning we are physically capable of, massively hiking taxes, even if it would be against our nature and against our very interests.
And it's in that same sense that BorderBots "can" just suck it up and accept what the President and Republican Senate are offering them. They could, but they would think it as foolish and wrong to do so as you do about hiking taxes - therefore, they won't. That was my point.
LMAO! You totally missed the Democrats marching with them? C'mon, that's disingenuous. They're ALL rabble when they're out for a free lunch, legal or not.
I think you are not correct here.
The truth is he is part way between the Treasoncrats and the border lobby. Some times he is closer to the border lobby, sometimes he is closer to the TC's.
The Dems want automatic citizenship, he doesn't. The Senate RINO's seem to side more with the traitors on that one. The border folks want none of it.
He has proposed border security (admittedly he was brought screaming and kicking to this) that is much closer to the border lobby than the TC's. You need to read what he actually proposed before dismissing what he said as siding with the TC's. He wants the fence, wants more guards, wants better technologies focused on how to keep them out, and until we get better he is sending the guard to do the job of the minutemen, a proposal by many of you border folks. That's what he said, check the speech out for yourself, I even pasted the security parts earlier. They are right there with the border lobby.
Where he differs from both is the "guest worker program". That one divides the baby, and you should consider what it does, after reading it now I actually think it's a decent compromise.
I think you should be thrilled with the progress. Why in the world are you deceiving yourself into believing he is with the TC's on this, when it can be clearly demonstrated he is not. It strikes me that the border crowd has simply decided it has to hate Bush, and simply won't listen to what he says, yet repeats things others say he said instead.
No, I didn't. But, just today, the Senate passed an amnesty/guest worker bill that Bush was promoting and that the illegals want. In other words, Bush allied with all but two Senate Dems and Senate RINOs to outvote conservatives.
So unless you can show me where Bush says he will veto the Senate Bill as passed today, he is working with the Dems to give the rabble what they want.
My gawd, the bill gives AMNESTY - something Bush said he was against.
I think you should be thrilled with the progress
If this is progress, I would hate to see failure.
It strikes me that the border crowd has simply decided it has to hate Bush,
No, I just hate what he is doing to the GOP over this issue. He is siding with Dems and RINOs to outvote conservatives. And that alone shows he is on the wrong side of this issue.
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