"A HOUSE DIVIDED" - Pukin's FReeperversary Rant

[Pukin Dog]

"A house divided against itself cannot stand." – Abraham Lincoln, 1858

It is getting somewhat strange around these parts when not only the President, but yesterday the First Lady was personally attacked by someone claiming to be a ‘Conservative’. Can there be any doubt that there are forces among us looking to drive a wedge between us?

A few weeks ago, this forum’s owner attempted to remind all of us of the big picture, that regardless of any personal animosity towards the President or Republican Party over their adherence to Conservative principles, that they are still a clear choice over the alternative Democrat Party rule. At that time, I assumed that FReeper-sanity had been restored, and that some of the negative rhetoric aimed at those in Washington D.C. would be dialed back.

Free Republic is a political forum with a proud history and vision, responsible for dragging Dan Rather from his post, and providing countless radio-talk shows with their daily talking points. FReepers are unique in their determination and energy towards protecting and defending the goals of our Founding Fathers.

We are also quite a powder keg of emotion and anticipation, expecting our Republican majorities to take advantage of this opportunity to make permanent gains in our Conservative agenda. Some might argue that this opportunity has been squandered, but those persons would be ignorant of history, lacking understanding that change cannot occur overnight in Washington, and that this is the way our Founders designed our Republic.

In frustration, impatience, and ignorance, we have allowed this forum to become a haven for those who do not share our Conservative goals. I do not blame our enemies anymore then I would blame a scorpion for stinging me. If anger and stupidity were one’s nature, I would expect the trolls that infect this forum to be angry and stupid consistently, which also makes them somewhat easy to detect.

The trolls are not the problem, though. The problem is that so many of us are allowing ourselves to be taken in by those who seek only to prevent us from going to the polls in November to keep their stinking hands off our government for another term. There can be no doubt, that no matter how disappointing our current government has been in promoting the Conservative agenda, that the alternative, enabled by our staying home will be MUCH worse.

The way to deal with Republicans who have actively worked against our goals is to defeat them in Primary elections. We do not even have to defeat them all, only enough of them to send the message that we will indeed target them if they work against our agenda. It should be the goal of EVERY conservative to see that Lincoln Chaffee is defeated in November. His seat is one we can afford to lose. Were I a Rhode Island resident, I would vote for the Democrat if only to send a message to Snowe, Hagel, Collins, Graham, and especially that bastard Specter that their primaries just got a lot tougher.

We only need to get one of them, and Chaffee is the one to get. It does not really matter if a Democrat takes his seat; he will be junior and mute as long as we maintain our overall majority in the Senate.

The one thing that bothers me here like nothing else, is the simple disrespect of the President. Am I am Bush-Bot? Damn straight I am. If you want to know why, click on my handle to read Southack’s excellent list of Bush’s accomplishments in office. But if Bush had done almost nothing in office, it would be no excuse for some of the slights and disrespect he has received from some of us on this forum.

Some of the things I have read here this past week match in tone what one can find on our favorite Democrat sewer site. Someone calling himself or herself a FReeper was promoting shooting aliens at the border until they stopped coming. Is that what we are about? Obviously not, and that so-called Conservative has been eliminated from this forum.

I think it is important to remember that you and I have just as much responsibility as George Bush does in changing our culture to better reflect Conservative values. Right now, this very moment, Conservatives have the government they deserve. We put them there. They are not our mommies and daddies sent out to bring home our Conservative bread. That responsibility lies with all of us. These Republicans represent us, they don’t serve us. Our job is to pick the best individual and send him/her to Washington in the hope that their CHARACTER will see them through.

This is why it is such a nutty thing to consider punishing the Republican party, when we should be letting them know that we’ve got their back, but if they cant do the job, we will replace them with ANOTHER Republican, instead of handing the reigns of government to the party of anger, hopelessness and despair. We sometimes like to think that those people we send to Washington are different from us, that they are capable of meeting our every need and desire.

I want every one of you to think about what you would consider to be your perfect mate. Maybe some of you think you have found that person. If you are married and totally in love with another person, that is great. Now I want to ask you to think about the last time that person you love, who is PERFECT for you, completely pissed you off. Remember, this is your perfect mate, your one true love. Do they do everything you want them to do? Obey your every desire? If you answer yes, I am going to put you on my troll list.

Those people in Washington do not even cut your lawn, yet you expect perfection. Get over it.

I am issuing a challenge to every person who considers him or her to be a Conservative; why don’t we all commit to a return to HONOR? Do we honor our Conservative agenda when we comport ourselves in disgraceful ways? Is it an honorable thing to suggest that our President is a moron, as I read here a few days ago? Is it honorable to attack Laura Bush or any other person representing true Conservative values?

Some of you might argue that George Bush is not representing Conservative values to your liking. I would remind you that the first thing Bush said upon taking office, is that he was going to be President of ALL the people, not just some. You know that if you followed Bush from the beginning that he campaigned of the very immigration platform he is defending right now. Did you vote for him? Yeah?

If you have ever had a steak at a Ruth’s Chris restaurant, you know that sometimes they bring that wonderful steak to your table with a sprig of parsley on it. I hate parsley. Hate it. If I were to treat my steak the way some of us want to treat our President, I would have to throw out the steak, due to that nasty parsley that comes with it. I can deal with the parsley to get the steak, and that is what I am asking FReepers to do.

Expecting perfection from any person, group or team is a recipe for disaster. George W. Bush is my president. You can disagree with him, you can blame him for your problems if that is your desire. If you disrespect his office, his service, his risking his life to be with our troops in Iraq, his steadfast desire to bring a new tone to Washington, or if you just like the way he keeps Democrats so pissed off they lose their minds on a regular basis, I ask you to treat him and his wife with respect and cut the personal attacks. If you call him ‘Shrub’ or ‘Jorge’ consider yourself my enemy.

Right now, our real enemy are the Main Stream Media, the Democrat Party, and all who follow and support them. If you want to jump-ugly on someone, why not start with those leaky bastards and give our side a break?

Do it for Pukin.

I knew that you could.

[bray]

Many Conservatives long for the days of clinton and will accept higher taxes, gay marriage, abortion on demand and a weaker defense over the border. Oh yeah, and the Rat open border/amnesty program.

Pray for W and Our Troops

[Texasforever]

Very badly for any organization or person(s) that put their support behind Bush & the Senate. The President has lost all credibility on this issue, as has the Senate and both of their supporters.

Hell he is the only one of the entire bunch that has any credibility on this issue. His position is the same as it was in 1999. All of the others are just reading polls and reacting.

[nopardons]

No, not really; I did actually "get" your infantile implication.

Grow up.

[wardaddy]

We should not have to beg FR to be conservative anymore than we should have to beg Bush. The ultimate goal here is a seriously conservative SCOTUS...you let in another 100 million or more impoverished third world immigrants in the nest 30 years and you can forget that EVER happening. They will get sucked right up into the minority victimhood cult that eats away at our natiional integrity like a tapeworm. Look how most of their leaders already posture with all that MECHA and LULAC talk. Here in Nashville with probably 100,000 illegals, there are no...zero ....nada...GOP...Mexican descended leadsers. Look at the Rio Grande Valley....a Dem cesspool.

Doesn't mean I advocate a third rail...until one is viable.

Big Ears gave us the Toon twice and there are some very decent GOPers out there. The only halfway decent Dem is Lieberman.

The policy here seems to be that forcing illgegals to go home is either not an issue or racial or impossible and that they will become good GOPers down the road.

Sorta like Ed Gillespie thinks.

Now I've lived in some of these countries and would prefer their cultures not consume my own regardless of how they vote and statistically they vote majority Dem....Rove's numbers tinkering in 2004 notwithstanding

[Toby06]

[FairOpinion]

What I also noticed that curiously the "conservatives" who are bashing President Bush for not being conservative enough, don't criticize Democrats, no matter what they do.

So how "conservative" are they really?

[Txsleuth]

President Bush had never changed his views...he ALWAYS said he wanted a guest worker program...and he was my Governor.

Therefore, anyone on this forum that critcizes him, but voted for him...should STOP>

[Pukin Dog]

Bannings and suspensions are quite fair. Some of you folks get so emotional that you step over the line in your zeal to make a point. Every banning I've witnessed came with a warning, followed by a lot of talking back to the moderators.

I am NOT a moderator.

I've been in trouble with the mods myself, but I am not one to argue with clear authority. You, with your repeated accusations in the face of being corrected, are acting like you want someone to give you a time out, if only to make a point of being banned for reasons you and others might consider unfair.

I know that you and others think I am getting some kind of special treatment here, and I even joked about it, so that it would tweak some of you. You can tell a lot about a person when you poke them in the ribs to see if they can take it.

Each of us has the right to request that any odd FReeper not post to them if they feel there is nothing to gain from interacting with said person. I think this serves to keep the personal wars to a minimum. I know at least 4 FReepers who don't want to hear from me, and I have no problem adhering to their wishes.

But some of you guys make it soooooo easy to push your buttons, it makes me wonder sometimes if I am not arguing with Democrats. Believe it or not, I am just as susceptible to being banned as you or anyone else. And I realize that some folks will dance in the streets if I given the heave-ho, so I don't give them that satisfaction.

Just make your points, don't get angry, don't call names, do use facts, don't treat this as some form of competition, and you wont have a problem here. As far as I see, this site supports the Conservative agenda, and I believe the founder has stated that for the moment, the best chance of preserving that agenda is to give the Democrats no momentum they can use to defeat our side in November.

How will it all end? We are going to pick up seats in November. I am going to continue to hunt trolls. You are probably going to argue your way into a time out, and the site will go on as if you and I never existed. None of us individually are so bloody important that the Conservative agenda wont go on without our support. So don't take it all so seriously.

[FreeReign]

The Conservative movement is now split. There is no doubt in my mind that FR will figure it out and side with Constitutional Conservatives in the long run.

I don't think the conservatism movement is split along Constitutional/anti-Constitutional lines.

I think the split is more pragmatism versus hard-nosed-ism.

I think the split is more believe anything that supports your worst fears versus always verify.

JMO.

[wardaddy]

If a third rail does become viable and drags good GOPers with it, then the Whig scenario could happen.

Problem is...the Dems are so strong. At least 47% of the voting public here are Dem and growing much faster than our side because of this damnable invasion

[bray]

We are at War with the left and I see no difference between the Conservatives that attack our President than Michael Mooreon and Murtha. You would at least think they would respect the office if not the man.

Pray for W and Our Troops

[nopardons]

The GOP was formed by a massive amount of the old Whig Party.

In order for a repeat of that, the majority of present elected GOPers would have to leave and form a new party. Since I assume that you don't like the majority of them, no new formed party, by them, would be any better than the present GOP.

[stands2reason]

Well, I can't tell you how many times I've thought better of it and closed that "Posting Comment" window instead of making a certain post, and I've never regretted doing so.

[Beagle8U]

"Regular, for real ice tea with lemon and I'll add the sugar myself; thanks. :-)"

Whiskey in you water....sugar in your tea...whats all these crazy questions you're asking me...Momma told me don't come...Momma told me don't come...That ain't the way to have fun...Son

lol..Remember that old song ?

[Texasforever]

They wouldn't understand real principle if it bit them on the behind. Bush could discard his and immediately raise his poll numbers, that is until the next bunch of "true conservatives" find something to beat him up with. Bush is a lousy politician and that is his greatest asset.

[Tatze]

Bannings and suspensions are quite fair. Some of you folks get so emotional that you step over the line in your zeal to make a point. Every banning I've witnessed came with a warning, followed by a lot of talking back to the moderators.

According to some people who have been banned, they received not a single warning!

[nopardons]

Trust me, LIEberman is not "decent" in any way, shape, manner, or form, with the one exception of his sort of support of the WOT.

[Pukin Dog]

So how "conservative" are they really?

I don't know, but sometimes I expect one of them to bust out with their own rendition of Ross Perot's "Can I finish, Can I finish!?" It is the same mood, the same anger, which if not thwarted, will bring the same result. I am not prepared to see that happen, and since I enjoy knocking people from their moorings, I'm going to keep hunting trolls.

[nopardons]

How thoughtful; THANK YOU! :-)

[MissAmericanPie]

I heard there is a treaty coming up before the congress on or around July 4th. It is a U.N. treaty stating that only the state and the U.N. are entitled to gun ownership, not the individual.

That would mean that our second amendment would be interpreted to mean that only the government can form and arm militias. I'm sure it's not the first sentence of the treaty and can most likely be found on page 1,356,972, of the treaty and the congress can claim to have had no idea that the document included such language. It would not be the first time they claimed such a thing.

They are the first to tell you that it's impossible for them to read the entire details of every bill and treaty that they sign, and that they have in fact signed bills and treaties with destructive agreements contained in them that they had no idea was there, but now binds us to obey them.

There is not a whisper of this upcoming treaty that I have heard in the major media.