Posted on 05/17/2006 6:42:22 AM PDT by Son Of The Godfather
Ok friends,
It seems I've irked a Muslim in Britain with one of my postings somewhere. I received quite a scolding via e-mail from a gentleman who is certain the media distorts the truth about Islam, Muslims, etc...
After reading through the rant, I thought it would be a great opportunity to see if I could actually have a dialog about the wonderful "Religion of Peace" (this, after reading about how I'll think differently once they come for me).
Instead of a flame war with him, I'm going to actually see if he has any answers about some things in the Koran (ie: Mo's child bride, kill infidels wherever you find them, etc.) I'll keep it civil for now, as I'm curious how he will resolve some of these issues.
Anyone have questions they want me to include? Are there any websites you can recommend to give me ammo? (there was one that had listed all the evil things in the Koran that I'm trying to find).
Thanks in advance! Son Of The Godfather
Ask him why Islam refuses to subject the Koran to historical-critical and literary-critical scrutiny.
Ask him why the Koran affirms certain things about Jesus (e.g., that Jesus never died on the cross), when many texts from earliest Christianity (see above, for example) affirm just the opposite.
And make sure both understand the same definition of the word "is" before you start talking about child brides, killing infidels, etc. ...
Not only from earliest Christianity, but eye-witness accounts (Matthew and John) to boot. How can the Koran seriously refute eye witness accounts?
...this, after reading about how I'll think differently once they come for me...
I think that says it all. Where he's coming from, his ideas. Can there be an open, level playing field at this point? He, from his comments you mentioned, seems to be coming from a point where he feels superior to you because he's a misunderstood Muslim and you're an infidel, almost as though he's toying with you or hoping to convert you. And earning points with his Imam for taking on an infidel. I'd tread lightly.
Also... there are Roman records from the time in question that state a man named Jesus of Nazareth was crucified (unfortunately, I don't have the source. History Channel or Mysteries of the Bible most likely).
He won't answer truthfully, though, because of Taqqiyah... the practice of lying to infidels.
If you want to have some fun with him, start a faith dialogue. Ask him if he respects your faith. He does? Good. Jesus taught us to call God "Our Father"... your conversation is over at this point--that's blasphemy. Allah is not a father to the Muslims, he is an enslaver.
http://www.anti-cair-net.org
Anti -"Council on American-Islamic Relations"
Some good stuff on islamic beliefs, also.
Ask if Muslims wash the blood off, put on something white and pray after they kill. Killing is important, you have to kill infidels everywhere you find them, especially Jews. In the end times, rocks and trees will speak and say, "There's a Jew behind me. Kill him."
Ask why no Muslims ever help other Muslims ex. Afghanistan, Kosovo, Iraq. Other Muslims just go in to torture and kill. Ask why Sunnis hate Shias. Are they worshipping the Prophet or God? If they're worshipping God, does it matter to whom the Koran was given?
And that's not hyperbole: islam is the sole religion which defies the Common Notions of the others. In this context I'm defining Common Notions as those ideas that are left as common to each religion when their differences are discarded. For instance, the Golden Rule is voiced in each of the living religions, making it a Common Notion.
Where lying is roughly "uniformly" considered "self delusion" in eastern religions and "sin" in western religions, it is perfectly acceptable in islam so long as the muslim is lying to a non-muslim. Murder is not acceptable in any religion except islam, where it is encouraged if the victim is not islamic. Not only is it encouraged but it's all the better if the muslim is able to use the infidel to their own advantage before the killing. Although, in all fairness to islam, the victim is supposed to be given the opportunity to repent prior to the murder.
Now, this is not to say that all muslims are bad nor that all Taoists or Christians are good: there are individuals in every faith who are worthless and evil in every sense of those concepts. And almost no practitioner of any religion is capable of reaching the ideal goals of their religion: but the highest goals in islam are not absolute: they are tainted with worldliness. Seriously, in what other religion is the idea of sex in the afterlife given any serious consideration? Not only sex but funky monkey sex where a women is reduced to being 1 of 72 sex toys.
I mean, let's get real here, if you knew a man whose stated goal in life was to have sex with 72 virgins, you would probably consider him a worthless pig of a human being. Who would want to be friends with a man like that? His entire life would be devoted to manipulating innocent young girls into bed. Most people would consider such a man a mentally unbalanced sex predator but in many islamic enclaves, that's part of the reward for a devout life.
Lets face it, there's no reasoning with animals.
Pick up Robert Spencer's book "Politically Incorrect Guide to Islam"
Wow, seriously folks, thanks for all the excellent suggestions.
I'll see if I can get a response and post the dialogue here.
If Islam is so superior, ask him why the bulk of our foreign aid and charity goes to helping people live while the bulk of Islamic aid goes to helping people die.
Ask if he's read anything by Dante...
If you manage to have a productive dialog with this person you may be able to learn about their beliefs and what they believe Islam to be which may or may not be the same as what others believe.
I grew up Catholic, and from my own experience there are some significant differences between the official church teachings on some topics than what is believed by many who are Catholic.
Anyone have questions they want me to include? Are there any websites you can recommend to give me ammo? (there was one that had listed all the evil things in the Koran that I'm trying to find).
It's my understanding that most of the "evil thing" that are commonly mentioned aren't actually in the Koran, but in the Sunnah and Hadith.
The Sunnah seem to be writings on how Muhammad lived his life. The Hadith seems to be more of a narration of how the Prophet lived his life or about things of which he approved.
It seems that the Koran and Sunnah are the central core of Islam. Some Hadith may be as intrgral to Islam as well, but there appear to be some Hadith that are accepted by some sects but not by others. There are likely even sects that only consider the Koran itself as an absolute truth.
As I've said I really don't know a lot about Islam. However the Hadiths like Hadith 9:57, which appears to say kill those who convert from Islam, appear to be accepted as genuine religious teaching by the majority of the major sects.
There are a huge number of Muslims justifying horrible things through Islam, and it seems like only a small portion of Muslims are willing to speak out against such things.
Because of that it's doesn't matter very much to me if the terrorist's portrayal of Islam is accurate or a subversion of Islam. In my opinion it's up to Muslims to determine how their religion is portrayed, and it appears that few care very much if it's portrayed as the religion of terror.
If they are devout and feel that is a horrible subversion of their religion, they should be aggressively working in opposition to those subverting their religion, not complaining that others view them as complicit in terrorism.
Do some web searching on Hadiths and Sunnah. There's a lot of information out there. Try and avoid the heavily biased sites and try finding multiple sources to compare.
I don't really know how to react to this. I don't think we are living in the same century as these people.
Thank you that's what I was thinking of.
Ask him why I need 4 male Muslim witnesses observing my rape before a charge of rape can be made.
Ask him why Muslim men would stand around watching another Muslim man rape a woman.
or a goat?
dont forget the poor goats.....
Did he say what you said made him mad?
Disclaimer: Opinions posted on Free Republic are those of the individual posters and do not necessarily represent the opinion of Free Republic or its management. All materials posted herein are protected by copyright law and the exemption for fair use of copyrighted works.