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How Gadhafi Lost His Groove [Yes, Iraq War Convinced Gadhafi the Jig Was Up!!]
Wall Street Journal ^ | 5/16/06 | JUDITH MILLER

Posted on 05/16/2006 10:15:26 AM PDT by Enchante

He also called Hosni Mubarak in a panic, convinced that Mr. Bush would attack Libya once the Taliban had been crushed in Afghanistan, according to a cable from the U.S. Embassy in Cairo reported last month by Time.


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As U.S. and British troops began flooding into Kuwait, Col. Gadhafi grew agitated, diplomats said. Italian press accounts quote then-Prime Minister Silvio Berlusconi as saying that Col. Gadhafi had called him to say he feared he would be America's next target. "Tell them I will do whatever they want," said one diplomat, recounting the call. In early March 2003 just days before the start of the Iraq war, Saif and Musa Kusa, a top Libyan intelligence official, contacted the British to say that Col. Gadhafi wanted to "clear the air" about WMD programs in exchange for assurances that the U.S. would not try to topple his regime, according to several accounts.


Libyans close to the Gadhafi family told me that after Saddam Hussein's sons were killed in a shootout with U.S. soldiers in Mosul in July 2003, Safiya, Col. Gadhafi's wife, angrily demanded that he do more to ensure that Saif and her other sons would not share a similar fate. Then, in early October 2003, the U.S., the U.K., Germany and Italy interdicted the "BBC China," a German ship destined for Libya that the Americans had been tracking for nearly a year.

(Excerpt) Read more at opinionjournal.com ...


TOPICS: Foreign Affairs; Germany; Government; News/Current Events; United Kingdom
KEYWORDS: cia; cialeak; iraq; joewilson; libya; plame; prewardocs; terror; terrorism; valerieplame; valeriewilson; waronterror; wilson; wot
Any honest person must conclude that it was a combination of fear of Bush and our intel successes that made Libya give up a nuclear program that could have produced nuclear weapons within a few years!!! [this article quotes a key Libyan figure as saying they expected to have warheads by 2008!!]
1 posted on 05/16/2006 10:15:30 AM PDT by Enchante
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To: Enchante
Bush only invaded Iraq so Gadhafi would stop his WMD program so Bush could restart diplomatic relations with him in May 2006 as a way of distracting from the illegal immigration issue. Are you blind??????

(Do I have to add "sarc"? Yes, these days I have to add "sarc"... ;)

2 posted on 05/16/2006 10:18:18 AM PDT by Darkwolf377 (Stay home in November if the sacrifices that protect your right to vote mean that little to you.)
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To: Enchante

Although I wish Bush's second term had been more productive on the domestic front, I am confident that when the history books are written, Bush's handling of Terrorism will be seen as one of the great strategic successes of the modern world.


3 posted on 05/16/2006 10:19:44 AM PDT by ClearCase_guy (Never question Bruce Dickinson!)
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To: Fedora; Howlin; ravingnutter; piasa; Peach; Grampa Dave; pinz-n-needlez; canadianally; ScaniaBoy; ..

I still would like to see the Libya WMD story properly investigated and analyzed in relation to sources of uranium and the Joe Wilson Pflamegate nonsense. Libya had a lot of uranium from Niger, almost twice as much as could be accounted for by 'official' records as I recall. Yet, Joe Wilson has told the world that no smuggling of uranium could possibly have occurred from Niger.

The Bush administration has received virtually no credit for stopping the Libyan nuke program in its tracks - yet it is clear (to those who can see) that only the tough Bush admin. stance toward taking out Saddam made Qaddaffi realize it could be his turn next if he did not turn over a new leaf. Let's hope we are getting thorough verification that Libya truly had abandoned WMD programs and terrorism!!

All the Dem-bots and MSM clowns who have undermined the War on Terror should be forced to acknowlege that this crucial success would NEVER have occurred under a 'Rat administration.


4 posted on 05/16/2006 10:21:36 AM PDT by Enchante (General Hayden: I've Never Taken a Domestic Flight That Landed in Waziristan!)
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To: Enchante

This is one of the great successes in the War on Terror that the left wants us to forget about. It's too bad Iran's "leader" (I can't spell his name) doesn't have even that tiny little piece of common sense that Libya's leader had.


5 posted on 05/16/2006 10:29:07 AM PDT by hsalaw
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To: ClearCase_guy
"Col. Gadhafi, who Saif says avidly surfs the Net for news, had by now become even more anxious about press reports of Iraqi-Libyan nuclear cooperation. Stories sourced to senior Israeli officials accused Iraq of having sent nuclear physicists to Libya to work on a joint weapons program."

btw, this issue of possible Iraq-Libya ties on WMDs, especially nukes, has come up various times but never seems to receive any official attention (not that I have seen, anyway). It's long past time for reporters to really press for details on what has been learned about Libya's WMD programs. I don't know if there's some compelling national security reason that this subject has received so little attention in public, but I sure as heck hope that we have gotten to the bottom of (1) whether Libya did have help from Iraq and/or other states, and (2) sources of uranium, centrifuges, etc. besides the Khan network.
6 posted on 05/16/2006 10:33:21 AM PDT by Enchante (General Hayden: I've Never Taken a Domestic Flight That Landed in Waziristan!)
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To: Enchante
One nuclear counter-proliferation expert told the FT: "If I am going to make a bomb, I am not going to use the uranium that I have declared. I am going to use what I acquire clandestinely, if I am going to keep the programme hidden."

This may have been the method being used by Libya before it agreed last December to abandon its secret nuclear programme. According to the IAEA, there are 2,600 tonnes of refined uranium ore - "yellow cake" - in Libya.

However, less than 1,500 tonnes of it is accounted for in Niger records, even though Niger was Libya's main supplier.

Information gathered in 1999-2001 suggested that the uranium sold illicitly would be extracted from mines in Niger that had been abandoned as uneconomic by the two French-owned mining companies - Cominak and Somair, both of which are owned by the mining giant Cogema - operating in Niger.

"Mines can be abandoned by Cogema when they become unproductive. This doesn't mean that people near the mines can't keep on extracting," a senior European counter-proliferation official said.

Source

7 posted on 05/16/2006 10:38:18 AM PDT by ravingnutter
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To: Enchante

My lib friend writes this:

"The national amnesia has us forgetting that Libya has been trying to
sue for peace since 1998, because it makes us feel better about the
horrific waste of life and treasure that is the Iraq disaster to say
that's why they're doing it."

What is your take on what he writes?


8 posted on 05/16/2006 10:38:40 AM PDT by agooga (Less of the stuff that is bad for you / more of the stuff that is good for you.)
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To: agooga
Suing for peace is not the same thing as abandoning all WMD.

If Libya wanted peace -- was Bill Clinton foolish for ignoring them?
If Libya wanted peace -- was George Bush wise for taking them up on it?

I see no scenario in which this can be spun to make the Left seem superior to Republicans.

9 posted on 05/16/2006 10:45:26 AM PDT by ClearCase_guy (Never question Bruce Dickinson!)
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To: agooga

I'd say this is the typical lib idiocy. There is a vast world of difference between a terrorist state trying to "make peace" on its own terms (i.e., obtain exactly what it wants without having to give up much) and the abject surrender and WMD disarmament that Libya has undergone since Dec. 2003. Sure, Libya wanted to improve its economy and relations with the west, but would never have done anything more than give some verbal puffery in exchange. Only a moron will believe that Libya would have given up its nuke and other WMD programs without the factors cited in the WSJ article.


10 posted on 05/16/2006 10:50:47 AM PDT by Enchante (General Hayden: I've Never Taken a Domestic Flight That Landed in Waziristan!)
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To: agooga

Nuts.

Shock and Awe.


11 posted on 05/16/2006 10:53:50 AM PDT by Loyal Buckeye
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To: Enchante
.....Saif-al-Islam was trying to develop an intelligence backchannel........

The article poo poo's the son but I believe he had a major impact. He could see the future clearly. Almost no one sees the change that occurred the day we invaded Afghanistan and crossed the Iraqi border. The world changed. everything past was obsolete.

The son could see that and persuaded dad to make an abrupt change.
12 posted on 05/16/2006 10:55:32 AM PDT by bert (K.E. N.P. Slay Pinch)
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To: bert

addendum to post above.

He is typical of a new breed of western educated aand savy Arabs.


13 posted on 05/16/2006 10:56:34 AM PDT by bert (K.E. N.P. Slay Pinch)
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To: Enchante

Wow, actual journalism.


14 posted on 05/16/2006 10:57:41 AM PDT by cyclotic (Cub Scouts-Teaching them to be men and politically incorrect in the process)
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To: Enchante

Yes-- they live in a dreamland don't they?

I am currently having an email "chat" with lib friend regarding Iran's weapons program and how the administration is trying to con the people back into another war that we can ill afford at this time (friend's position, obviously).

My position is that under Clinton, NKorea was allowed to acquire the bomb. Post 9/11 and under Bush, there will be no bombs for Iran. Friend thinks war with Iran is imminent, but I believe it is possibly years away-- a mess for another administration to deal with. Which leaves me somewhat uneasy about the next POTUS election, to say the least.

Friend is less than forthcoming about exactly what threat a nuclear Iran poses to western civilization-- if any.


15 posted on 05/16/2006 10:59:18 AM PDT by agooga (Less of the stuff that is bad for you / more of the stuff that is good for you.)
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To: agooga; Enchante

Notice the panic caused by the US attack on Saddam?

Ghadafi believed the game was up when we rolled into Iraq. That lends additional weight to my belief that Ghadafi's nuclear program was a pan-arab nuclear program involving Iraqi engineers and Saudi money. You will notice that information on Libya's nukes has been "zero" since his surrender. That in itself is peculiar.

Its also peculiar that no one wants to discuss the absolute failure of IAEA to find or stop Libya's program.

They also failed to account for Libya's yellowcake stockpiles either, for that matter.

But thats not surprising when you understand that IAEA depends entirely upon voluntary reporting for its information. It has no men on the ground monitoring yellowcake production; when you see articles talking about IAEA's "tight control" of Niger's uranium industry, that is just writer's hyperbole. IAEA has no men on the ground, and required no reporting from Niger at all. It depends upon voluntary reporting from yellowcake buyers.

So Libya was free to buy all it wanted, and unless it voluntarily reported it to the IAEA, they neither knew nor were particularly interested (according to IAEA, yellowcake is low-grade ore and they aren't interested in monitoring it until it has been upgraded).

That, of course, blows Wilson's story out of the water, when he claimed that uranium smuggling was impossible due to IAEA control. There was no control.

Of course, in a backward sense, Wilson is right. Since there isn't any IAEA control, there couldn't be any "smuggling", since it isn't smuggling if it isn't controlled in the first place.

http://washingtontimes.com/world/20031001-101113-2642r.htm


16 posted on 05/16/2006 11:20:42 AM PDT by marron
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To: marron
"Ghadafi believed the game was up when we rolled into Iraq. That lends additional weight to my belief that Ghadafi's nuclear program was a pan-arab nuclear program involving Iraqi engineers and Saudi money. You will notice that information on Libya's nukes has been "zero" since his surrender. That in itself is peculiar. Its also peculiar that no one wants to discuss the absolute failure of IAEA to find or stop Libya's program. They also failed to account for Libya's yellowcake stockpiles either, for that matter."

I'm with you on this - I hope the US government did not make some deal with Libya and/or the Saudis to keep the lid on info in exchange for more access, etc. I keep wondering why so little has been revealed about Libya's nuke program since it was supposedly abandoned to the USA, and why the MSM has been so completely devoid of curiosity about this subject. OK, I'm really not at all surprised about the lack of lib media interest, it would blow apart their tidy little world to have the public focus on the hows and whys of the Libyan nuke program, and what brought it to an end. But why aren't writers like Bill Gertz and Byron York all over this, unless they have tried and cannot find out anything more?
17 posted on 05/16/2006 11:48:38 AM PDT by Enchante (General Hayden: I've Never Taken a Domestic Flight That Landed in Waziristan!)
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To: Enchante
I fear only in future books shall some discover just how well positioned GWB was in deciding to take out Saddam.
I had in past posts made comments on all the countries that had purchased uranium from Niger as well as some other African countries, based on a book titeled BULLSEYE IRAQ, published in 1987. I had referenced it a number of times including the ISBN number.
Bottom line is Libya and Iraq where making unranium purchases through a number of different channels. Even countries like Portugal sold Saddam some 90 tons of yellow cake, where they had arranged the purchase most probably one of the French companies dealing in Niger (Joe Wilson's connections), and then re-sold the stuff to Saddam.
Saddam had a lot of countries almost blackmailed, and of course the countries leaders/private companies getting oil vouchers etc..
But for the L/MSM coming clean. Forget it. It would exonerate GWB for the most part.
If of course a demorate goon gets elected in 2008 to the POTUS. Then all of a sudden you will start reading all these detailed articles by the NYT,WP,LAT,Newsweek, Times, etc., on how Iraq, Iran, Libya, obtained all they needed from Russian, Pakistan, and Europe to produce atomic weapons.
It always works this way. The L/MSM are in control of things for the most part.
18 posted on 05/16/2006 1:03:35 PM PDT by Marine_Uncle (Honor must be earned)
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To: hsalaw

"Iran's "leader" (I can't spell his name)"


Just call him Amazing-Jihad!


19 posted on 05/17/2006 11:39:13 AM PDT by rfp1234 (I've had it up to my keyster with these leaks!!! - - - Ronald Reagan)
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