Reaction to Bush immigration speech

cnn ^ | 5/15/06 | cnn

[wotan]

(CNN) -- The following is a sampling of reaction to President Bush's speech on immigration Monday night in which he proposed deploying National Guard troops to the U.S.-Mexico border:

Rep. Dana Rohrabacher, a California Republican:

Rohrabacher, a leading immigration critic in the House, said on CNN's "Larry King Live" that he was "very disappointed" by the speech.

"He's playing these word games about massive deportations again, which no one is advocating and does not do anything to further an honest debate," said Rohrabacher, who also took issue with Bush's distinction between a legalization process for illegal immigrants and amnesty.

[Rebelbase]

LBJ's actions created the "Great Society" 40 years ago, the effects of which have affected this nation in a negative manner, IMO.

I wonder what Bush's action will be called 30 years from now when a third of the population is only one or two generations removed from south of the border makes every effort to retain it's identity and culture instead of assimilating into and learning American culture; Are Mexican values what we want shaping this nation 30 years from now?

[TomGuy]

F&F this morning said that the number of NG's was 10,000 on Sunday, but went down to 6,000 AFTER Vincente's call to GW.

[spatso]

The problem of prohibition was that it pushed alcohol consumption under the table. Crime levels increased, fortunes were made and the entire initiative became a nightmare. Not only did prohibition create a financial quagmire there is substantial evidence that the rates of alcoholism also increased. Essentially, that is what the President faces today. If you enforce rigid, zero tolerance immigration criteria the system will become more criminalized and more profitable for those who figure out how to manipulate and beat the system. So, I clearly favor tightening the border and reducing the flow of aliens. In regard to those who are already here, let government do the only thing that they appear to do well, tax them. Make them pay the entire cost that they impose on the system and make certain employers absorb a tax to offset the increased demands on the system where migratory workers are employed.

[angkor]

F&F this morning said that the number of NG's was 10,000 on Sunday, but went down to 6,000 AFTER Vincente's call to GW.

And that's over the course of "12 months" as el Jorge said.

Give them 1 month rotations (not unreasonable) and that's 500/month for the year year, ending after 12 months, with no enforcement capability.

The work assignments sounded like chain gang labor to me.

[angkor]

If you enforce rigid, zero tolerance immigration criteria the system will become more criminalized and more profitable for those who figure out how to manipulate and beat the system.

With selective categorization of the 12+ million already here, you are about to see an explosion in the document fraud industry in America.

[TomGuy]

F&F this morning said that the number of NG's was 10,000 on Sunday, but went down to 6,000 AFTER Vincente's call to GW.

Looking back at the actual speech, however, even that 6,000 is a hedge number which could be nothing more than parsing and nuancing. The exact quote is:

"...up to 6,000 Guard members will be deployed to our southern border."

"up to" could mean half a dozen up to 6,000. The Adminstration, instead of hiring some 2,000 new BP agents the Congress allowed for, only hired some 300.

[reagan_fanatic]

You can build walls that will reach the heavens, but you will not keep these people out if they want to come

No one has ever suggested that it would 'keep them all out'. The purpose of building the wall is to slow the massive wave of illegals who currently can cross the border with relative ease.

The wall will not solve the problem, but it will allow us to get a handle on the situation, something we desperately need after sitting back on our collective @sses for the last ten years or so and allowing up to 20 million ILLEGAL aliens to blatantly violate our sovereignty and violate our laws.

[LS]

Why do people, even Rush, keep saying "No one is for massive deportation?" Oh really? I'd bet 75% of the Freepers are.

Let's be honest: it is, and should be, an option to be discussed and voted on.

[LS]

I agree, except there is one thing: whether it is the mass marches or this speech, this ISSUE IS NOW ON THE FRONT BURNER, where it should have been a long time ago. No one can run from it now!

[spatso]

Do you not think there was a similar backlash against European immigrants after the second world war? You either believe immigration is an economic and cultural positive or you think it is a negative. If you are against immigration nothing will make you happy. On the other hand, if you support immigration as good for the economy and a cultural positive than your interest is in making it work. Of course there will be abuses, someone will always try to do better than what the system allows.

[Coldwater Creek]

This has been a problem for the last six decades that I know of. Didn't just happen overnight.

[kittymyrib]

Support Rohrabacher and the rest of the House members who oppose the Senate's and the President's plan to allow 200 MILLION immigrants into the US in the next 20 years. Now is the time to stand up for America, because this legislation would be the death of our country.

[reagan_fanatic]

This has been a problem for the last six decades that I know of. Didn't just happen overnight.

True, but it has intensified greatly in just the last ten years. This is why this is such a pressing problem now and didn't get the attention it should have twenty or thirty years ago.

[upier]

Walls sure did work to keep the people in the old soviet union in subjagation. Seems that you admire the old soviets in their wall building expertise.

The difference is that the USSR had the b@lls to put armed guards on those walls who were willing to shoot first and not bother with questions.

[trebb]

Wow - proof positive that no matter what Bush does, some folks would rather trash him than be glad he is doing something. He comes out with the best plan to date; that might actually be implementable, and we get more basjing from the Right, that will aid and abet the normal bashing from the Left. I find it amazing that folks with your mindset will carp about not doing enough, then carp about having to spend money to actually start to secure the borders. Freaking amazing how so many supposed consrvatives have taken up the left-Wing Mantra, "Bush is trash and the source of all our ills." It seems that the Dim's and MSM's propaganda efforts have finally paid off and effected some serious brainwashing among the "Right". You guys sound like the "all-or-nothing" whiners that generally pick up welfare checks, then whine that they are too small.

[Dilbert56]

"He's playing these word games about massive deportations again, which no one is advocating and does not do anything to further an honest debate," said Rohrabacher...

No, Rep. Rohrabacher, you're the one playing word games. Just because no one in Congress is advocating mass deportation doesn't mean no one is advocating it. There is a world outside the isolated, perfumed princes in Washington, D.C. Some of those real people are advocating just that.

[TomGuy]

Why do people, even Rush, keep saying "No one is for massive deportation?" Oh really? I'd bet 75% of the Freepers are.

Mexico is. And they are doing it. And they are screwing us in doing it.

Maricopa County Sheriff yesterday said as many as 6,000 illegals per night cross the Arizona border.

Yeh, Mexico is managing quite successfully to perform massive deportation. [Of course, it helps when one presidente has the complicity of the other presidente.]

[NavyCanDo]

I just returned from a vacation in Canada. Why don't they have the problem of Illegal Mexicans flooding across their borders? They don't have walls, and fences, or thousands of troops stationed on the border. It's a beautiful country, why don't the Mexicans move right across the U.S. and into Canada? Answer: Because they have rules for hiring non citizens and they are enforced. We have the same rules but they are ignored and there was nothing in the speech last night that gave me any comfort that our laws will now be enforced.

[Ron H.]

Reaction to Bush immigration speech

Too little, too late. What a waste of valuable air-time. President Bush, you're on a fast track to becoming irrelevant.

[gedeon3]

'deal fairly and equitably with the millions of undocumented persons who remain. '

That would be to send them back were they came from; where they can start their application to enter this country legally, at the nearest American Embassy.