Posted on 05/15/2006 4:13:02 PM PDT by devane617
Edited on 05/15/2006 4:38:26 PM PDT by Jim Robinson. [history]
I searched but did not see a thread already open for tonights speech. I think this is the most important speech the President will probably make for the remainder of his term.
Mod Note:
This could turn into a whack-a-troll thread. All immigration trolls that would like to participate should post here. It'll be interesting to see if we mods can whack the trolls faster than they can sign up new accounts.
Jim
It's like fingernails on a blackboard.
If you don't want the democrats to take control then it's not clear why you would be in favor of the importation of future democratic voters.
Thanks for the link--clears up what Tancredo is thinking.
LOL. Yes I am.
Well, to be honest, the Hispanics I know and have known have been here legally for many years and generations. They are more patriotic and more Republican than any dozen others I know - but this is anecdotal, not widespread.
I should have said SOME BORDER-BOTS. I can't speak for them. Sorry about that.
Gotta agree with that. When the ultimate result of breaking the law (and illegals break a bunch besides crossing the border) is a reward that is an amnesty.
I've never liked paying taxes or the IRS but I feel the same way every time they have a tax amnesty. Either you enforce a law or you don't have a law.
Oh, I don't think Tancredo is a RINO. I was sort of mocking another freeper.
Politicians are masters at substituting words for an action to make them more acceptable. The Katrina aftermath is a good example - Bush called the massive wealth redistribution "investing in the people".
Bush is not a bad guy but he is a politician.
Um, Jeff, he mentioned building more fences on the border. Sorry but it's right in there. If I was him, I'd build a ten foot brick wall with barbed wire and armed guards every 500 feet, and to he11 with the cost. Congress can fund studies to measure how much methane cow farts release into the atmosphere, they can afford to build that. That's what I'd do, but a fence will do for now. It's better than nothing. One by one he said the things that I have heard Conservatives yell for regarding the border for years, including Limbaugh and Hannity, and when it was all done, I was hard pressed to come up with big things he didn't mention. Give credit where credit is due. He is now on board with 80% to 90% of the things that are required to real border security improvement. It's just a fact clearly illustrated in the wording of the speach.
~LOL~
I might start a thread soon on the Christian implications of this debate. Those issues are pretty big in how I view this issue. Its a hotbed I know but it should be discussed. For all I know MAry Jesus and Joesph might have been illegal aliens when they fled to Eygpt. Who knows? the Holy Spirit didnt seem to have the current immigration debate in mind when he decided not to inform us on the immigration laws or lack of any for that matter of Egypt. Of course I think the concept of the nation?State we have today is a tad different.
Some people just can't be satisfied. I suppose you think you could do better huh?
Yup he's honest as the day is long, no amnesty, just depends on the meaning of the word amnesty-remind you of anyone?
http://www.stoptheftaa.org/artman/publish/article_91.shtml
Amnesty by Any Other Name
Back in September 2001, THE NEW AMERICAN observed regarding the Bush-Fox amnesty threat: “The Bush administration has been torturing the English language in an effort to craft a new amnesty for millions of illegal aliens without saying the dread word: ‘amnesty.’ Some newly devised euphemisms include ‘regularization,’ ‘legalization,’ ‘permanent status,’ and ‘earned adjustment.’ President Bush has repeatedly dodged the amnesty issue, refusing to use the term. Still, when recently pressed on the issue, he insisted that his soon-to-be-revealed immigration policy vis-à-vis Mexico will not include a ‘blanket amnesty.’”
We noted that “whatever Clintonesque term is finally adopted as the cover for the Bush policy, a large amnesty is certain to be the central component of his immigration package.” And it is coming, regardless of the intentionally conflicting signals being sent by the White House. As the Copley News Service reported on December 11, 2003, “the administration is considering a major election-year immigration initiative.” The report continued:
In September, Sen. Larry Craig, R-Idaho, said he had received White House assurances that if a bill he drafted to legalize between 500,000 and 800,000 farm workers reached the president’s desk, Bush would sign it....
And this week, Rep. Jeff Flake, R-Ariz., said in an interview that Karl Rove, Bush’s chief political strategist, promised a presidential push to deliver on immigration reforms sought by Mexican President Vicente Fox and advocates for undocumented workers.
The Rove-Bush strategy aims at keeping the Republican core distracted with other matters until the administration has put together a sufficiently impressive coalition of business leaders and radical Hispanic militants as to appear unstoppable. The Bush White House then intends to ram its amnesty plan through Congress before opponents can rally to stop it.
The only one spewing hyperbole around here Mr. Hyperbole is you.
It's all you ever do. I've yet to see one intelligent thought come out of your mouth, it's all been flame, deride, attack and ridicule.
Shows your Maturity level, which is about that of a 5 year old.
The date on that story is Nov 2005?
I've already discussed that earlier. By "security fence" we mean a border length fence - not a 500 ft long fence here and there.
Frankly I think some bad advice to him is coming from Laura, not just Rinos. She reined him in when he said "Dead or Alive" about Osama. He needs to be as strong on this issue as he was at the ground zero speech. He wasn't (dare I say) manly and bold tonight. He was logical and firm but scripted.
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