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President's Immigration speech - Live thread
me | 05/15/2006 | me

Posted on 05/15/2006 4:13:02 PM PDT by devane617

Edited on 05/15/2006 4:38:26 PM PDT by Jim Robinson. [history]

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To: Owen
"there aren't enough Americans of the right age to do the jobs"

I haven't looked at demographics, but I have been wondering if there are enough Americans to fill all the jobs; if that is the case I wish he would explain it that way- the way he says it now makes me want to throw rotten eggs at him and I still support him, just don't agree with parts of his plan about the border and illegals. His jobs Americans won't or aren't doing wording is an insult to Americans who have and are doing those jobs every day. I wish someone would explain that to him.

2,241 posted on 05/15/2006 8:07:08 PM PDT by Tammy8 (Build a Real Border Fence, and enforce Immigration Laws!!!)
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To: Hodar
Remove the lure, the problem goes away. Do you know what the fine is for an employer who accepts false identification for employment? It's already on the books, it's simply not enforced.

I believe the employer has to knowingly accept false ID for it to be a crime.

2,242 posted on 05/15/2006 8:07:10 PM PDT by FreeReign
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To: clawrence3
Bracero program started in 1942
2,243 posted on 05/15/2006 8:07:20 PM PDT by markman46 (engage brain before using keyboard!!!)
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To: Tulsa Ramjet

A large majority can't spell or read their native language, how are we to expect them to learn English?


2,244 posted on 05/15/2006 8:07:32 PM PDT by Arizona Carolyn
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To: Earthdweller

Hope you are right!


2,245 posted on 05/15/2006 8:07:35 PM PDT by Shortstop7
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To: A.Hun
Anyone that would throw away 15 years of conservative gains for their pet issue is not a conservative, especially when the President is responding.

The balkanization of america is not a "pet issue". If the illegal immigration is not stopped then none of the other issues will matter as we won't be country any more.

2,246 posted on 05/15/2006 8:07:43 PM PDT by JeffAtlanta
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To: TheLion

"Good summation. Bush simply refuses to budge on this issue."

And therefore he will lose Congress, be impeached, and lose Iraq when Congress cuts funding, I believe.

I don't WANT that, but I think the only way that can be avoided is either for the Senate to cave into the House in the reconciliation committee talks and not include amnesty but make the fence more robust (and Bush not veto it)...which is highly unlikely...or for currently incandescent BorderBots to cool off over the next 6 months and grimly go to the polls to maintain Republicans in control because of other issues like Iraq.

And I don't personally think that enough BorderBots are going to change their mind on the issue and back down, especially since the flood coming across the border and the associated problems are not going to stop between now and then.

I think the President euchered his own party tonight, and that the damage is probably unrecoverable.

It's too bad.
Maybe I should stop posting about this now, because it sounds like I am glad about it. Truth is, I think it's an unmitigated political catastrophe.

Good night.


2,247 posted on 05/15/2006 8:07:55 PM PDT by Vicomte13 (La nuit tombe.)
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To: pissant
And may he continue with steely resolve on the WOT and nail the border shut.

What WOT? (sorry Pissant. Just me being a smart alec again).

2,248 posted on 05/15/2006 8:08:25 PM PDT by llevrok (When they come to take my guns, I will give them the lead first....)
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To: Iscool

Tancredo and King were on O'Reilly and while they didn't dis the speech, both said it was not the approach everyone wanted. Both said secure the borders first.


2,249 posted on 05/15/2006 8:08:25 PM PDT by TheLion
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To: Vicomte13

Is that legal?

Sounds vaguely doity, doesn't it. LOL. Unsure to legality, but if it was good enough for Groucho Marx, it's good enough for me.


2,250 posted on 05/15/2006 8:08:26 PM PDT by flaglady47 (RINO = Fifth Column)
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To: gpapa

People would have to be good swimmers.
Water's easier to patrol.


2,251 posted on 05/15/2006 8:08:31 PM PDT by Vicomte13 (La nuit tombe.)
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To: Palladin

I think you are way wrong about the jews killed in the Holocaust. A jew was a jew to the Nazis...


2,252 posted on 05/15/2006 8:08:52 PM PDT by ARA
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To: Shortstop7
Ha ha.. Is that the best you can do? an ad homein attack?
2,253 posted on 05/15/2006 8:09:00 PM PDT by investigateworld (Abortion stops a beating heart)
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To: ideas_over_party
Oh, it's more than one issue. If only it WAS just one issue.

Unless you're a previously banned poster which seems fairly probable, I think I'm a better observer of what has happened at FR over the years than you.

The list of posters here who on post on immigration threads is huge. They don't seem to care about anything else.

You may have mulitiple issues.

2,254 posted on 05/15/2006 8:09:08 PM PDT by Dog Gone
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To: Earthdweller

The problem has tripled under the Bush Admin.


2,255 posted on 05/15/2006 8:09:08 PM PDT by devane617
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To: A CA Guy

Yes, but we can support our president against his enemies in a time of war. Always. The weak kneed need to join the traitorous scum or stop calling themselves Republican, Conservatives, or even Americans.


2,256 posted on 05/15/2006 8:09:10 PM PDT by Porterville (I gave at the State Franchise Board; leave me alone you blood sucking liberal.)
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To: TexasPatriot8
t's silly. I saw a post that someone said Bush was going to do amnesty because he said so in the speech, and he said TWO TIMES that amnesty was not acceptable and he wouldn't sign a bill that gave amnesty.

Bill Clinton didn't call his tax increase "wealth redistribution" either - he called it "investing in America".

2,257 posted on 05/15/2006 8:09:28 PM PDT by JeffAtlanta
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To: llevrok

Yes. That should be your tagline.


2,258 posted on 05/15/2006 8:09:28 PM PDT by pissant
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To: flaglady47

"Doity" ?

?

It's not in the dictionary.
Help.


2,259 posted on 05/15/2006 8:09:29 PM PDT by Vicomte13 (La nuit tombe.)
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To: Vicomte13
Oh yeah, with the President electrifying all those border fences, expect the water to be the new easy way in.
2,260 posted on 05/15/2006 8:09:50 PM PDT by A CA Guy (God Bless America, God bless and keep safe our fighting men and women.)
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