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Bush Losing the Immigration Debate
War to Mobilize Democracy, LLC ^ | May 13, 2006 | Andrew L. Jaffee

Posted on 05/13/2006 12:56:02 PM PDT by forty_years

President Bush plans to address the nation on Monday night at 8 PM to con the American public into buying into his ludicrous immigration policies. His approval ratings are at an all-time low, with only 31% of Americans approving of his job performance, while "68% believe the United States is worse off today than it was before Mr. Bush became president." Bush's immigration policies would open the floodgates to illegals, and Americans do not approve -- and it looks like the Senate agrees. Another poll shows support for the House's tough and very sensible immigration legislation, HR 4437:

...69 percent said it was a good or very good idea when told it tries to make illegals go home by fortifying the border, forcing employer verification, and encouraging greater cooperation with local law enforcement while not increasing legal immigration; 27 percent said it was a bad or very bad idea.

In an attempt to assuage American concerns about the unfettered illegal immigration tidal wave, Bush has proposed using the National Guard to patrol our borders:

President Bush, trying to build momentum for an overhaul of the nation's immigration laws, is considering plans to shore up the Mexican border with National Guard troops paid for by the federal government, according to senior administration officials.

One defense official said military leaders believe the number of troops required could range from 3,500 to 10,000, depending on the final plan.

That's a great idea, except that Bush wants to provide amnesty to the millions of illegals already present in the U.S., and he wants to allow 400,000 "guest workers" to enter the U.S. every year. This is a recipe for disaster.

There are at least 12 million illegal immigrants in the U.S., and 10,000 pouring into our nation every day. One study predicts there will be 5 million more Latin American immigrants in the U.S. by 2015, while another prognosticates that illegals will push the American population to 1/2 billion people by 2050. Since the U.S. government is failing dismally at stemming this unfettered tidal wave, a group of concerned citizens, the Minuteman, has tried to prevent illegal immigration, but it appears that Bush has betrayed them.

And it looks like the Republican-controlled Senate is on the verge of betraying the American people by planning to push through legislation which will implement Bush's disastrous proposals. If the Republicans are looking to retain the Senate in the 2006 elections, they may just be shooting themselves in their collective feet.

The problem with Bush and many Republicans is that they are looking at immigration solely in 2 modalities: 1) trying to court the Latino vote, and 2) looking at immigration solely in near-term economic terms.

President Bush and Mexico's President Fox are colluding in an unholy alliance. Bush wants cheap Mexican labor -- forget the problems illegals pose to American society. Fox, an arrogant racist, wants to dump his economic problems on the U.S. instead of enacting much-needed reforms in his own corrupt society. It looks like Senate Republicans have joined the alliance.

It is time for the U.S. to criminalize illegal immigration as a felony offense. We need to build a wall along the Mexico border and provide enough personnel to patrol that border. We need to make it very painful for employers who hire illegals.

Are we to sit by idly while illegal immigrants openly march through our streets, trying to intimidate our policy makers, defame our flag, and rewrite our national anthem? Complacency will lead to the end of our prosperity and democracy.

Perhaps most importantly, it is time for the Third World to start dealing with its own problems (like corruption and overpopulation), and stop trying to dump those problems on the U.S.

Take action: Support LEGAL immigration.

http://netwmd.com/blog/2006/05/13/596


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To: sinkspur

Your contention that it is a flawed poll. Try to keep up.


161 posted on 05/13/2006 7:26:45 PM PDT by rock58seg (Twin problems, a tin ear and a tin drum, establishes myths such as "ROP" and "guest worker".)
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To: rock58seg
In your case it is neither love nor hate, I simply wish to ignore you.

Good. Then ignore me.

If you choose to post about me, without pinging me, I promise you this: I won't leave an ounce of skin on your bones.

162 posted on 05/13/2006 7:32:51 PM PDT by sinkspur ( OK. You've had your drink. Now why don't you tell your Godfather what everybody else already knows?)
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To: forty_years
"68% believe the United States is worse off today than it was before Mr. Bush became president."

Absolute nonsense.

I don't believe this for a minute.

163 posted on 05/13/2006 7:33:47 PM PDT by Jorge
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To: rock58seg
Your contention that it is a flawed poll.

It is a flawed poll. It's an outlier because no other poll comes even close to agreeing with its findings.

Try to keep up.

164 posted on 05/13/2006 7:34:08 PM PDT by sinkspur ( OK. You've had your drink. Now why don't you tell your Godfather what everybody else already knows?)
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To: A message
This anti-Bush kneejerk rhetoric gets me riled up that I can not even spell correctly.

I agree with Bush's illegal immigration positions completely. However I thing we need to secure the border more than we've done.

165 posted on 05/13/2006 7:36:07 PM PDT by Jorge
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To: sinkspur
If you choose to post about me, without pinging me, I promise you this: I won't leave an ounce of skin on your bones.

That is going to cut into my sleep big time. You may be a comedian after all. And we have spent all this time laughing at you thinking you were only peculiar, not funny.

166 posted on 05/13/2006 7:39:01 PM PDT by rock58seg (Twin problems, a tin ear and a tin drum, establishes myths such as "ROP" and "guest worker".)
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To: sinkspur

We asked for your facts regarding your contention, not your contention, which we are already aware of. Nice Non-sequitur though.


167 posted on 05/13/2006 7:40:50 PM PDT by rock58seg (Twin problems, a tin ear and a tin drum, establishes myths such as "ROP" and "guest worker".)
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To: rock58seg
You can look at the polls the same as I did.

Who is this "we" that you keep referring to?

Are you schizophrenic?

168 posted on 05/13/2006 7:42:29 PM PDT by sinkspur ( OK. You've had your drink. Now why don't you tell your Godfather what everybody else already knows?)
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To: rock58seg
And we have spent all this time laughing at you thinking you were only peculiar, not funny.

More manifestations of manic-depression.

Get help.

169 posted on 05/13/2006 7:43:18 PM PDT by sinkspur ( OK. You've had your drink. Now why don't you tell your Godfather what everybody else already knows?)
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To: Jorge
"68% believe the United States is worse off today than it was before Mr. Bush became president."

Whatever credibility they had at the beginning of the sentence was lost once I hit the word Mr.

170 posted on 05/13/2006 7:43:26 PM PDT by MaineVoter2002 (http://jednet207.tripod.com/PoliticalLinks.html)
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To: sinkspur
Are you schizophrenic?

Back to name-calling, I see

171 posted on 05/13/2006 7:45:00 PM PDT by MaineVoter2002 (http://jednet207.tripod.com/PoliticalLinks.html)
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To: MaineVoter2002
Back to name-calling, I see

Name calling? When a poster continually refers to "we", when he's only speaking for himself, is it not a natural curiosity to ask if the person really thinks he IS speaking for multiple personalities?

172 posted on 05/13/2006 7:47:25 PM PDT by sinkspur ( OK. You've had your drink. Now why don't you tell your Godfather what everybody else already knows?)
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To: rock58seg

Non-sequitur this.


173 posted on 05/13/2006 7:48:05 PM PDT by Jorge
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To: catholicfreeper

I suppose you think we should be happy when some 9 months' pregnant invader sneaks into the country, heads immediately for the hospital, gets free medical care for the delivery, and is signed up for welfare, WIC, and food stamps before she leaves the hospital. These people are stealing money from ME that could be used for MY children.


174 posted on 05/13/2006 7:49:46 PM PDT by Politicalmom (If fences don't work, why is there a fence around the White House?)
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To: sinkspur
You can look at the polls the same as I did. Who is this "we" that you keep referring to? Are you schizophrenic?

I have, it's just that I am better at comprehension than you. I comprehend that you like to pose that challenge to others, but then sluff it off when posed back at you. Nice try.

The "we" is an imperial "we". Actually it is composed of those Posters here, The majority of whom wish not to see shamnesty or open borders.

Free Republic Opinion Poll: Do you support or oppose H.R. 4437, the Border Protection, Antiterrorism, and Illegal Immigration Control Act of 2005?

Composite Opinion
Support 82.4% 3,231
Oppose 17.6% 691
100.0% 3,922

Member Opinion
Support 83.6% 1,541
Oppose 16.4% 303
100.0% 1,844

Non-Member Opinion
Support 81.3% 1,690
Oppose 18.7% 388
100.0% 2,078

As a matter of fact I'm pretty much of one personality, one that dislikes dilletantes such as yourself who argue just to argue. Of course I could be accused of that also, since I like arguing with you. But then I come to the realization, that when we argue, you're wrong, I'm right.

175 posted on 05/13/2006 8:09:44 PM PDT by rock58seg (Twin problems, a tin ear and a tin drum, establishes myths such as "ROP" and "guest worker".)
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To: sinkspur
When a poster continually refers to "we", when he's only speaking for himself,

Well I found this obscure poll, I posted it so you could see for yourself whom "we" is.

176 posted on 05/13/2006 8:13:56 PM PDT by rock58seg (Twin problems, a tin ear and a tin drum, establishes myths such as "ROP" and "guest worker".)
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To: rock58seg
LOL! A Free Republic poll is not a scientific poll, as CIS tries to pass itself off as being.

I can see that you have no comprehension of polling methodology or of valid polls versus online polls that are self-selecting.

Your use of an imperial "we" is indicative of a delusional quirk.

You have a nice night.

177 posted on 05/13/2006 8:21:02 PM PDT by sinkspur ( OK. You've had your drink. Now why don't you tell your Godfather what everybody else already knows?)
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To: forty_years

Fence the borders and START SENDING THEM HOME, ONE BY ONE.....


178 posted on 05/13/2006 8:23:57 PM PDT by TAdams8591
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To: A message

"Lets hear what the Presidant has to say Monday before shooting off with con job and all that crud.
"

I'm with you ... this sounds more like the kind of hit piece you see in a leftie blog than anything resembling a cogent reasoned essay. They lost me at the first sentence.



179 posted on 05/13/2006 8:26:39 PM PDT by WOSG (Do your duty, be a patriot, support our Troops - VOTE!)
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To: sinkspur
You only asked why I used we.

Who is this "we" that you keep referring to?

My post went on to tell you "we" actually represented a majority of posters and members.
I Provided you a poll taken of the members and non members of this forum.

It may not be a scientific poll, but it seemed simple enough even for you. I see I have sadly overestimated your abilities again.

180 posted on 05/13/2006 8:33:57 PM PDT by rock58seg (Twin problems, a tin ear and a tin drum, establishes myths such as "ROP" and "guest worker".)
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