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Water powered cars right around the corner?
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Posted on 05/13/2006 7:14:51 AM PDT by Neville72

Take a look a this amazing news report on the local Fox Channel 26 in Clearwater, Florida on local inventor, Denny Klein and his water powered citting /welding torches and HHO/gas hybrid car.

Video on the technology:

http://www.freeenergynews.com/Directory/BrownsGas/WaterFuel.wmv

Amazing stuff at first glance. I'd love to hear some of our Freeper energy experts weigh in on the potential of this.


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To: Porterville
"You have to run electricty to convert water to hydrogen... so is it cost effective running the electricty?"

They claim the cost is $.70/ hour to make the conversion. We'll see.

81 posted on 05/13/2006 6:28:47 PM PDT by Neville72 (uist)
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To: Neville72

Isn't the Earth essentially a generator? It seems to me that Tesla had an idea that made sense to him about drawing electricity from the air. If someone as brilliant as he thought it possible, maybe it is.


82 posted on 05/13/2006 9:04:11 PM PDT by jeremiah (How much did we get for that rope?)
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To: Neville72

Isn't the Earth essentially a generator? It seems to me that Tesla had an idea that made sense to him about drawing electricity from the air. If someone as brilliant as he thought it possible, maybe it is.


83 posted on 05/13/2006 9:04:14 PM PDT by jeremiah (How much did we get for that rope?)
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To: lilylangtree
Sounds like a great idea if someone can come up with the idea of inventing a hydrogen-producing machine. Ah, but the oil companies, auto companies or govt would buy up the technology faster that a person can say "snap".

I came up with a plan where every destination was downhill from where you were. George Bush and his evil oil buddies stopped me from marketing it and now I'm penniless.
84 posted on 05/13/2006 9:27:15 PM PDT by JayNorth
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To: JayNorth

I still remember and even viewed the pic in the local paper in the late 80s of an inventor who designed a plane that could be used as a two-seater sports car. Both were completely operable. On the ground as a vehicle, it only achieved 35 mph, but hey, it was real life imitating James Bond. The one major problem was that the govt req'd about 15 permits to be used in the air and on the ground. Never heard about the invention afterwards, but it make great news for the future.


85 posted on 05/14/2006 8:16:00 AM PDT by lilylangtree
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To: UNGN

"The Fisher-Trope process can convert coal into H2 and sequester the carbon in 99.9% pure CO2 for industrial uses or pumped into the ground or solidified. "

This seems promising - if the total delivered cost can be held to the btu equivalent of gasoline @ $3/gallon.

One wonders whether there is anyone working on these decisions - and acting on them.


86 posted on 05/14/2006 1:34:36 PM PDT by edwin hubble
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To: Matchett-PI

Here's Denny's US. Pat. App.

I'd like to hear opinions from folks who know about this sort of stuff. I too noticed a shortage of details when describing electricity requirements to create Denny's HHO.


87 posted on 05/14/2006 7:57:35 PM PDT by BigDaddyTX (Don't Mex with Texas)
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To: BigDaddyTX

Dang...

http://appft1.uspto.gov/netacgi/nph-Parser?Sect1=PTO2&Sect2=HITOFF&p=1&u=%2Fnetahtml%2FPTO%2Fsearch-bool.html&r=1&f=G&l=50&co1=AND&d=PG01&s1=hho&OS=hho&RS=hho


88 posted on 05/14/2006 7:58:00 PM PDT by BigDaddyTX (Don't Mex with Texas)
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To: jeremiah
John Galt had the same idea!
89 posted on 05/15/2006 12:14:36 PM PDT by IL Republican
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To: ElkGroveDan
Was that the one where he had the 'gas' and the 'water' labels backwards? I vaguely remember it as a little kid.
90 posted on 05/15/2006 12:23:40 PM PDT by Lx (Do you like it, do you like it. Scott? I call it Mr. and Mrs. Tennerman chili.)
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To: Lx

yep


91 posted on 05/15/2006 12:36:29 PM PDT by ElkGroveDan (California bashers will be called out)
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To: IL Republican

Nikola Tesla actually patented the process to draw electricity from the atmosphere. I don't know how it would work, but when you have a magnetic field, and a spinning object within it, isn't this a description of a motor or generator? The only thing missing is the brushes and contacts.


92 posted on 05/15/2006 7:37:20 PM PDT by jeremiah (How much did we get for that rope?)
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To: ElkGroveDan

This is done with 80 yr old technology that has been supressed by big oil and car maufacturers. The patents already exist and I dont know how he was able to get new patents on this technology. The gas produced is called Brown’s gas (The name of the original inventor 80 years ago.) The process is simple and cheap. You start with a quart size glass jar filled with distilled water. You make a coil from stainless steel to fit inside the jar. You then connect the coil to your electrical system, (Between the ignition switch and the starter.) You add approx 1-5 teaspoons of baking soda to the water which will last for several months of driving. A 4 foot vacuum line goes into the jar and to your vacuum system of the car. When the ignition is turned on the reaction of the distilled water and baking soda combined with the electrical charge, (12v at approx 2-3 amps)a gas is created which is combustible. When the gas is introduced to the intake of your car it combines with gasoline and reduces the need for pump gas. You can actually increase your gas mileage by 30 - 70% Try Googling Browns gas and you will find tons of information.


93 posted on 05/11/2008 9:29:07 AM PDT by audioforge
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To: Neville72

It’s possible. This is not the first thread on this.


94 posted on 05/11/2008 9:31:21 AM PDT by RightWhale (It's still unclear what impact global warming will have on vertical wind shear)
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To: Neville72
He says in the report I've linked to that his electrolyser cost 70 cents per hour to operate

And how much hydrogen does it generate per hour? And how much gasoline is that hydrogen equivalent to?

I could make it cost zero cents per hour to operate -- by turning it off

95 posted on 05/11/2008 9:40:09 AM PDT by PapaBear3625 ("In a time of universal deceit, telling the truth is a revolutionary act." — George Orwell)
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To: audioforge

How’s that been working out for you?


96 posted on 05/11/2008 9:50:00 AM PDT by Balding_Eagle (OVERPRODUCTION......... one of the top five worries for American farmers.)
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To: Neville72
They claim the cost is $.70/ hour to make the conversion. We'll see.

Going to Dept of Energy's conversion page, we see that one gallon of gasoline is equal to 130 MJ of energy, or 36 Kwh of elecricity. At a residential cost of 10 cents per Kwh, that's $3.60 per gallon-equivalent, assuming 100% perfect conversion (which you don't get in the real world)

What saves the electric car is that electric motors are much more efficient than gasoline engines (which only convert about 30% of the energy of a gallon of gas to useful motion). But an internal combustion engine powered by OOH would have the same efficiency issues as gasoline

97 posted on 05/11/2008 10:09:54 AM PDT by PapaBear3625 ("In a time of universal deceit, telling the truth is a revolutionary act." — George Orwell)
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To: jeremiah
Nikola Tesla actually patented the process to draw electricity from the atmosphere. I don't know how it would work, but when you have a magnetic field, and a spinning object within it, isn't this a description of a motor or generator? The only thing missing is the brushes and contacts.

In theory, it might be possible for an object in orbit to tap into the energy of the earth's magnetic field as it moves through it, converting its orbital potential energy into power. It might also be possible to tap into the power of the earth's passage through the solar magnetic field

98 posted on 05/11/2008 10:18:35 AM PDT by PapaBear3625 ("In a time of universal deceit, telling the truth is a revolutionary act." — George Orwell)
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To: audioforge

See my post #97. Any increase in mileage needs to be worth more than the cost of producing the Brown’s Gas


99 posted on 05/11/2008 10:20:54 AM PDT by PapaBear3625 ("In a time of universal deceit, telling the truth is a revolutionary act." — George Orwell)
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To: lilylangtree
"Ah, but the oil companies, auto companies or govt would buy up the technology faster that a person can say "snap".

That's what I've been thinking all along.

I'm not nearly learned enough in chemistry or physics to say one way or another if this guy's invention is doable.

But I'm most definitely skeptical that the government, lawyers or anyone else would allow the unfettered development of a product or technology that would put everyone from Exxon to the corner 7-11 out of business overnight.

100 posted on 05/11/2008 10:53:32 AM PDT by daler
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