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Is the U.S. Giving Mexico Intelligence about Americans?
NRO ^ | 05/10/2006 | Andrew C. McCarthy

Posted on 05/10/2006 10:22:29 AM PDT by NapkinUser

There is no more explosive issue on the political landscape than illegal immigration. Not only has it sharply divided the American people, who want it stopped and reversed, from the political classes, which want to legitimize and, perforce, encourage more of it. It may be singularly responsible for President Bush’s alarmingly low approval ratings.

Those, after all, are not being driven by the Left and the media. They’ve never been fans. The numbers are tanking thanks to flight by the Republican base and Reagan Democrats, who are apoplectic over the administration’s stubborn insouciance in the face of unabashed lawlessness that acutely threatens public safety.

It was inevitable that this would come to a head, and now it may have.

Michelle Malkin, who has been a stalwart on immigration, reports that the United States government has been providing Mexico with intelligence about the lawful activities of American citizens, specifically, the locations and tactics of Minuteman patrols.

The Minutemen have been maligned by pro-illegal-alien lobbyists, swaths of the mainstream media, and—infuriatingly—President Bush himself as a “vigilante” group. In fact, they are a vigilance group.

The project is a lawful association of citizens, multi-ethnic and multi-racial in background, who assiduously monitor the way government performs one of its most basic enforcement missions. That is to say, it does pretty much what CAIR and the ACLU do—except its efforts inure to the benefit of American national security rather than death-row inmates, terrorists, privacy extremists and self-styled dissidents … and thus it is frowned on by our high-minded clerisy.

The Minutemen are doing what the government refuses to do: closely watching the southern border and very publicly reporting to the under-resourced Border Patrol the tide of illegals pouring across. This sometimes shames our reluctant government into enforcing the immigration laws.

Obviously, the feds don’t like to be shamed. The reflexively pro-immigration administration thus despises the project—although, where the rubber meets the road, many Border Patrol agents are quietly thrilled that someone actually thinks their mission is important. There have thus been occasional reports, denied by the Department of Homeland Security (DHS), that border agents have been ordered not to make arrests in response to Minuteman reports.

Now, however, comes a much more serious charge. As Malkin notes, Sara Carter of California’s Inland Valley Daily Bulletin has reported that DHS’s U.S. Customs and Border Protection agency (CPB), which runs the Border Patrol, has been providing the Mexican government with the locations of Minuteman watch groups, as well as other details about Minuteman participation in detentions of illegal aliens.

According to the report, a website maintained by the Mexican secretary of foreign relations explains that U.S. agents, as a matter of routine, notify the Mexican government regarding the locations of civilian border-patrol groups.

As night follows day, this information undermines the effectiveness of the patrols, channeling immigrant smuggling away from them. As Minuteman founder Chris Simcox told Carter, “Now we know why it seemed like Mexican officials knew where we were all the time.” Chagrined, Simcox added, “It’s unbelievable that our own government agency is sending intelligence to another country. They are sending intelligence to a nation where corruption runs rampant, and that could be getting into the hands of criminal cartels.”

Apparently aware that this is a powder keg, DHS is scrambling to justify itself. Initially, a CPB spokesman confirmed the assertions of the Mexican government website. Now, however, a back-peddling DHS is labeling the Daily Bulletin story “inaccurate.”

As Malkin reports today, DHS categorically asserts that the “Border Patrol does not report activity by civilian, non-law enforcement groups to the Government of Mexico.” Rather, “During a detention of a legal or illegal immigrant that produces an allegation of improper treatment, Border Patrol reports the allegation and allows the appropriate consulate to interview the individual in custody.”

The DHS statement is noteworthy in two respects. First, while attempting to discredit the report about providing Mexico with intelligence, it does not clearly deny transmitting information about Minuteman patrols—something the CPB spokesman previously conceded quite matter-of-factly (saying, “It’s not a secret where the Minuteman volunteers are going to be”).

DHS instead says it “reports the allegation” if “improper treatment” is alleged. But we are not told what DHS considers “improper treatment” (e.g., does it consider patrols by the Minutemen—whom the President has labeled as “vigilantes”—to be improper?). Nor are we told how comprehensively DHS “reports” the matter to Mexico (e.g., does it simply notify Mexico that an arrest has been made, or does it convey an expansive summary of the case?).

Second, DHS seems to be saying that it was compelled to disclose whatever information it may have given to Mexico by the 1963 Vienna Convention on Consular Relations, which President Nixon ratified in 1969.

This latter claim bears scrutiny. The consular-notification convention, and in particular its Article 36, comes into play whenever an alien—legal or illegal—is arrested in the United States. It absolutely does not require U.S. authorities to provide any investigative information or other intelligence to foreign governments. Indeed, it does not necessarily require our government to give a foreign government any information whatsoever.

On the contrary, it provides that when a foreign national is detained, he has a right to have his nation’s consulate in the United States informed of the fact of the arrest. If he does not want his nation so advised, the U.S. is under no obligation to provide notice.

If the detainee does assert his consular-notification rights, the U.S. must advise the consulate of the fact of the arrest, pass along any communications the detainee addresses to his consulate, and allow representatives of the consulate to visit with the detainee.

That’s it. If the foreign government is determined to educate itself about the case, it must do so by interviewing the arrestee (just like a defense lawyer) or by open source information (just like a reporter or any person curious enough to check the public record). It has no claim on investigative or intelligence information maintained by the United States government. Of course, our government may decide to share more information with the foreign government; but if it does, that is a function of choice, not a requirement of law.

The reasons for all this should be obvious. Americans themselves are not entitled to intelligence and investigative information from their own government, so foreigners clearly have no legal basis to demand it.

More to the point, though, let’s say the U.S. arrests a terrorist from a rogue nation that happens to be a Geneva signatory. Would anyone seriously contend that our government should provide, say, Iran with background intelligence about the case? Of course not. We want to comply with our obligations to notify foreign governments about the arrests—after all, that is our best assurance that foreign governments will reciprocally comply and notify our government when Americans are arrested in their jurisdictions. We do not, however, owe them more than that.

This situation calls for close attention. The American people should be told exactly what DHS’s component agencies have been telling Mexico. If, as DHS maintains, it is merely honoring U.S. treaty obligations, that is laudable and to be encouraged.

If, however, our government is gratuitously providing a suspect regime with information about the First Amendment-protected activities of American citizens, the immigration issue is headed for a whole new dimension of controversy.


TOPICS: Crime/Corruption; Culture/Society
KEYWORDS: aliens; illegals; invasion; treason
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To: NapkinUser
Apparently aware that this is a powder keg, DHS is scrambling to justify itself. Initially, a CPB spokesman confirmed the assertions of the Mexican government website. Now, however, a back-peddling DHS is labeling the Daily Bulletin story “inaccurate.”

Parsing and nuancing.
21 posted on 05/10/2006 11:31:35 AM PDT by TomGuy
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To: skeeter
Or not.

I'll go with or not. They will just retreat to one of several prepared positions, such as "So What?" or "Bircher!" or "You must want the Dems to win!"

22 posted on 05/10/2006 11:34:46 AM PDT by dirtboy (An illegal immigrant says my tagline used to be part of Mexico)
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To: Oliver Optic

Excellent point!!


23 posted on 05/10/2006 11:35:28 AM PDT by Tammy8 (Build a Real Border Fence, and enforce Immigration Laws!!!)
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To: Oliver Optic
I can't figure out why immediately believing the report is "knee jerk" ... but immediately believing the denial is not.

Especially when the denial doesn't hold up to scrutiny.

24 posted on 05/10/2006 11:36:18 AM PDT by dirtboy (An illegal immigrant says my tagline used to be part of Mexico)
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To: JustPiper; Cindy

FYI.


25 posted on 05/10/2006 11:40:16 AM PDT by little jeremiah
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To: Spiff; Marine Inspector; justshutupandtakeit

ping


26 posted on 05/10/2006 11:43:57 AM PDT by dirtboy (An illegal immigrant says my tagline used to be part of Mexico)
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To: dljordan
There was much wailing ang gnashing of teeth last night and this morning.

It's funny how quiet this thread is.

27 posted on 05/10/2006 11:48:05 AM PDT by dirtboy (An illegal immigrant says my tagline used to be part of Mexico)
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To: dirtboy
It's funny how quiet this thread is.

They're in a group huddle deciding their next plan of action. Just waiting for their call to arms to be issued. lol

28 posted on 05/10/2006 11:50:47 AM PDT by processing please hold (Be careful of charity and kindness, lest you do more harm with open hands than with a clinched fist)
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To: NapkinUser
Blah, blah, blah.

The right wing mary mapes and dan rather's trying to rationalize their bias over false information.

At least I can be consistent, I don't engage in such delusioanl rationalization.

29 posted on 05/10/2006 11:53:36 AM PDT by Dane ("Mr. Gorbachev, tear down this wall" Ronald Reagan, 1987)
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To: NapkinUser
If, however, our government is gratuitously providing a suspect regime with information about the First Amendment-protected activities of American citizens, the immigration issue is headed for a whole new dimension of controversy.

Oh yeah.

30 posted on 05/10/2006 11:54:27 AM PDT by EternalVigilance (George Allen's conservatism is as ephemeral as his virtual fence.)
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To: dirtboy
It's funny how quiet this thread is

yeppers the people in tancredo's congressional office are working furiously behind the curtain to explain this away.

I'm surprised they haven't asked for the witch's broom to buy some time.

31 posted on 05/10/2006 11:55:30 AM PDT by Dane ("Mr. Gorbachev, tear down this wall" Ronald Reagan, 1987)
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To: Dane
The right wing mary mapes and dan rather's trying to rationalize their bias over false information.

...says the dean of FR crediblity on immigration issues.

/extreme sarcasm

32 posted on 05/10/2006 11:55:31 AM PDT by EternalVigilance (George Allen's conservatism is as ephemeral as his virtual fence.)
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To: NapkinUser

If the crossings had been slow more so in all areas where they were posted and everywhere else it has been busy, that would suggest at least a mole leaking to Mexico.

I would hope that isn't the case.

I look forward to learning what the heck is going on regarding this issue.

Either it is true, or some press wrote an article out of thin air which makes the border patrol look mighty dirty.


33 posted on 05/10/2006 11:56:59 AM PDT by A CA Guy (God Bless America, God bless and keep safe our fighting men and women.)
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To: Dane
The right wing mary mapes and dan rather's trying to rationalize their bias over false information.

False information, Dane? Now you're comparing a calm and sober assessment of this situation by a respected NRO contributor to Mary Mapes?

I used to wonder if the Bush apologists would ever start to approach the level of intellectual depravity we saw from the Clintonistas. I'm starting to get my answer over this episode.

34 posted on 05/10/2006 11:57:12 AM PDT by dirtboy (An illegal immigrant says my tagline used to be part of Mexico)
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To: dirtboy
It's funny how quiet this thread is.

Funny, ironic, yeah. Funny, comic, no.

The level of vitriol that was demonstrated here last night was unprecedented, and that's saying something.

Tends to cool debate...

35 posted on 05/10/2006 11:57:46 AM PDT by EternalVigilance (George Allen's conservatism is as ephemeral as his virtual fence.)
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To: dirtboy
I used to wonder if the Bush apologists would ever start to approach the level of intellectual depravity we saw from the Clintonistas. I'm starting to get my answer over this episode

Yep your own answer, your clintonista tactics don't work.

36 posted on 05/10/2006 11:58:49 AM PDT by Dane ("Mr. Gorbachev, tear down this wall" Ronald Reagan, 1987)
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To: Dane
yeppers the people in tancredo's congressional office are working furiously behind the curtain to explain this away.

Uh, yeah, sure, Dane. This article poses serious questions to the government version of events. But we can always count on you to get it exactly backwards, since you seem to only have a reverse gear.

37 posted on 05/10/2006 11:58:50 AM PDT by dirtboy (An illegal immigrant says my tagline used to be part of Mexico)
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To: Dane
Yep your own answer, your clintonista tactics don't work.

Not only do you only have a reverse gear, you can chirp the tires in reverse as well.

Care to actually address the questions raised in the article, Dane? You're over the top even by your own minimal standards.

38 posted on 05/10/2006 11:59:59 AM PDT by dirtboy (An illegal immigrant says my tagline used to be part of Mexico)
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To: HiJinx

ping


39 posted on 05/10/2006 12:00:24 PM PDT by DumpsterDiver
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To: dirtboy
Uh, yeah, sure, Dane. This article poses serious questions to the government version of events. But we can always count on you to get it exactly backwards, since you seem to only have a reverse gear

IOW, bring me the witch's broom before I answer questions, says the almighty wizard of dirtboy.

40 posted on 05/10/2006 12:02:46 PM PDT by Dane ("Mr. Gorbachev, tear down this wall" Ronald Reagan, 1987)
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