[A CA Guy]

There seems to be a charge and denial.

Can't wait to see which is confirmed.

[CWOJackson]

Isn't this the same story you just posted?

[AmericanInTokyo]

THE LATEST FROM THE DAILY PAPER EL ECONOMISTA in MEXICO about serious, alleged US Border Control cooperation with the Mexican Government to expose operational details and locations of The Minutemen on the southern border:

09/05/2006 09:40 "EU avisa a México sobre ubicación de los Minutemen La Patrulla Fronteriza está informando al gobierno mexicano sobre la posición de las milicias civiles que vigilan la frontera para detener o atacar a inmigrantes ilegales, según un informe oficial. AP Notas relacionadas No hay notas relacionadas -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Los Angeles.- La Patrulla Fronteriza de Estados Unidos está informando al gobierno mexicano sobre la posición de las milicias civiles que vigilan la frontera para detener o atacar a inmigrantes ilegales, según un informe oficial. El vocero del servicio de aduanas y protección de fronteras, Mario Martínez, declaró al Inland Valley Daily Bulletin de Ontario que el objetivo del alerta es asegurar al gobierno mexicano que se respetan los derechos de los inmigrantes. El alerta afecta al Cuerpo de Defensa Civil Minuteman y a los Amigos de la Patrulla Fronteriza, entre otros grupos civiles. “No es ningún secreto dónde estarán los voluntarios Minuteman”, dijo Martínez el lunes. “Con esto queremos afirmar dos cosas fundamentales: que no toleraremos la anarquía de ningún tipo y que si un extranjero es enfrentado o detenido por un Minuteman, permitiremos que su gobierno entreviste a esa persona”. Miembros del Minuteman – que toman su nombre de una milicia campesina de la época colonial – dijeron que la política de la Patrulla Fronteriza les resta eficacia y podría poner en peligro sus vidas. “Ahora comprendemos por qué las autoridades mexicanas siempre saben dónde estamos”, dijo Chris Simcox, fundador de la organización. “Es inconcebible que una agencia de nuestro propio gobierno envíe información a otro país. Envían información a una nación caracterizada por la corrupción rampante, que podría llegar a los carteles criminales”. El Daily Bulletin dijo que no pudo comunicarse con autoridades del consulado mexicano en Washington el lunes. TJ Bonner, presidente del sindicato de agentes de la Patrulla Fronteriza, dijo que éstos se quejan desde hace mucho de la influencia indebida que ejerce el gobierno mexicano sobre la política coercitiva de Estados Unidos. “Esa no es una función legítima para una nación extranjera, cualquiera que sea”, dijo Bonner."

[Heatseeker]

However, the Mexican report also contains specific information on civilian groups operating much farther inside the United States.

For example, the document notes that 50 Minuteman volunteers work in Chicago, focusing mainly on employers who hire illegal immigrants.

!

(This assumes of course that the Minutemen themselves are not providing this information via PR or website information.)

[BeHoldAPaleHorse]

Somebody played Free Republic like a cheap violin. And our single-issue knee-jerkers did EXACTLY what the guy who planted this story wanted.

[Smogger]

Well as far as I am concerned the Border Patrol's refutation was pretty weak. Calling the report "inaccurate" is not the same at least in my mind as labeling completely false, which is what they should do if it is in fact a fabrication. Futhermore, when I read:

"Kristi Clemens, a spokeswoman for the Department of Homeland Security and Customs and Border Protection, would not elaborate on the agency's statement other than to say the U.S. gives information to Mexican officials under the rules of the Vienna Convention on Consular Relations of 1963, which provides foreign nationals being detained by a government the right to consular access. "

If the minuteman claim that exact information regarding the number of volunteers and a base of operations was provided to no one outside of law enforcement, and that information appears on a Mexican Government run website, then it's hardly a stretch to believe that some agency provided said information.

It still sounds to me like, in fact, information is being shared if not by the Border Patrol then by another agency.

[Darkwolf377]

Yesterday the SavageWeiners complained that their flat-out denial was so short and specific that it couldn't be believed.

Today they'll be saying "Look at how long-winded they are, why not just a flat denial, no ifs, ands or buts?"

[Dane]

Ramirez said he revealed the location of his base camp only to local and federal officials. The Mexican document gives the exact location of his group's site, which was on private property near San Diego

And I guess Mr. Ramirez doesn't know of something called binoculars, that or Mr. Ramirez and the minutemen thought the cloaking device they bought from the Romulans actually workd.

[VOA]

bump for publicity

[Cinnamon Girl]

In other words, the Border Patrol does not report directly to the Mexican government, but another department of the U.S. government DOES.

[gondramB]

>>Scott James, a former Tucson agent, resigned after eight years of service in February, citing a lack of support for agents by the Department of Homeland Security.

He said that U.S. Border Patrol officials provided office space inside their headquarters to Mexican consulate officials, allowed the consulate to dictate the agents' activities, and gave the consulate information on ongoing investigations. <<

An allegation like that should warrent investigation.

[SuziQ]

Ramirez said he revealed the location of his base camp only to local and federal officials. The Mexican document gives the exact location of his group's site, which was on private property near San Diego.

Doesn't mean the Border Patrol, or the Feds gave Mexican officials the info. Could have been a local person who might have mentioned it to someone else who got the info the the Mexican govt.

[airborne]

"Today's report by the Inland Valley Daily Bulletin, `U.S. tipping Mexico to Minuteman patrols,' is inaccurate,"

Depends on the definition of "is"!

[Spiff]

However, the Mexican report also contains specific information on civilian groups operating much farther inside the United States.

For example, the document notes that 50 Minuteman volunteers work in Chicago, focusing mainly on employers who hire illegal immigrants.

Minuteman volunteers said specific information -- such as the number of volunteers and their plans -- could have been provided only by law enforcement officials at that time. The document credits the various Mexican consul general offices in the U.S. with providing the information to the Mexican Foreign Secretary for the reports.

Whaaaa????! I thought this was all just made up stuff or that it was only the BP following the mandates of the Geneva Convention... < /sarcasm >

Hey, wait a minute...Geneva Convention? Isn't that the treaty the dictates how enemy combatants are to be treated during war time? I thought we weren't being invaded by Mexico. That's what I keep being told. Hmmmm....