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1 posted on 05/08/2006 7:04:29 PM PDT by mwfsu84
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I'm not staying home, never have, never will... anyone who does gets the representation they deserve.


271 posted on 05/08/2006 8:17:46 PM PDT by Arizona Carolyn
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Did you guys know that the phrase 'conventional wisdom' was coined by none other than JK Galbraith? William F.'s good skiing buddy hisself! Something the cat learned this past week. And what else are we reading here on this thread from the Bush bots (and some others to be fair)? It's another description of pedestrianism, of tired and worn cliches, parroted phrases, and the like. The blame game (going on since the 1992 fiasco) and likely to continue after this Novembwr's smashing successes. No lessons learned, no perspective, no anticipatory thinking, we're dumbies!


276 posted on 05/08/2006 8:19:32 PM PDT by Revolting cat! ("In the end, nothing explains anything.")
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I'm with you. The problem is with the Senate...not GWB. Even if he is wrong on immigration/borders, and I believe he is wrong, a strong Senate leader and an ounce of courage among the members would over rule the President.

What galls me in general, and I'm sure it's no different here, is that typically only 25-30% of registered voters show up at primaries. This is where change occurs...if you don't like what's going on, then vote against the incumbent and work hard for their victory.

But noooooooooo.......70% stay home on primary day...probably including all the whiners.

It will be a sad day next January if Nancy Pelosi takes the gavel...very sad.

282 posted on 05/08/2006 8:21:21 PM PDT by NewLand (Posting against liberalism since the 20th century!)
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Right on! Thanks for taking the time to put your thoughts in writing.

A couple of added thoughts:

If you had told them how few casualties had been experienced in the Afghanistan and Iraq campaigns, you would have been called delusional. Same with all the Iraqis going to the polls. And on and on.

George W. Bush is a good man and a good president; probably the best in my lifetime in very difficult conditions. I'm glad to say I've supported him every step of the way, despite a few things here and there that did not match my agenda. This is a crucial time, and he needs and deserves our support.


311 posted on 05/08/2006 8:29:27 PM PDT by n-tres-ted (Remember November!)
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It's so simple and so clear: what angry conservatives want is a border fence.

Just agree to that this year and start building it, while kicking the can of amnesty down the road for a debate next year, and the conservative coalition will be put back together and in good shape for November. Give the border conservatives their fence, and they will come out in droves to make sure the GOP stays in office and it gets built.

It's all the Republicans have to do to lock up the election and avoid the Parade of the Horribles (and they are pretty horrible) if the Democrats win: loss in Iraq, impeachment, proposed tax hikes. A Republican loss would be a disaster. So, it's time to avoid it, by having the party leaders choose not to run the ship aground and just vote to build the damned fence. That's ALL that is required to ensure the win.

Refusal is all that is required to fatally divide the conservatives and guarantee a loss.

Given that it's so simple and so clear.
To prove it, here's a TEST for all of you angry conservatives posting on this thread: answer me Yea or Nay: IF the Congress voted for the fence, but did not vote for amnesty this year, allocated the money, Bush signed the law, and the construction started this year, would you be sure to get out and vote for the GOP this year in order to protect that gain?

It's just like with the Miers nomination: once it was pulled and Alito was offered up instead, the pro-life conservatives who had been at the barricades RUSHED to close ranks around the President and the Party again, as though a collective sigh of THANK GOD was heard all across the right in the country. That would happen again if the GOP would just pass the fence.


322 posted on 05/08/2006 8:32:29 PM PDT by Vicomte13 (Paris vaut bien une messe.)
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Conservatives have every right to be angry at a president who they voted for who seems to have more empathy toward illegal non-citizens than the Americans who put him in office.

If the president doesn't give his base something on the border problem, there's going to be an electoral bloodbath of epic proportions in November--and it will be HIS fault.
332 posted on 05/08/2006 8:35:31 PM PDT by Antoninus (I will not vote for a liberal, regardless of party.)
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"Put some ice on it"


351 posted on 05/08/2006 8:44:15 PM PDT by VRWC For Truth (Timid men prefer the calm of despotism to the tempestuous sea of liberty.)
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If you're so worried, I suggest that YOU get on the phone, emails and letters to Republicans in Congress and the President and ask them to do the same thing that RNC Chairman Ken Mehlman has asked them to do. That is, get to work and give the conservatives what they want or risk losing their support in November.


361 posted on 05/08/2006 8:48:06 PM PDT by Spiff ("They start yelling, 'Murderer!' 'Traitor!' They call me by name." - Gael Murphy, Code Pink leader)
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Bush already ""KNOWS" how I feel...he doesn't care!

The republican party has been following his lead!

385 posted on 05/08/2006 8:55:39 PM PDT by Randy Larsen (THE MUSIC CANTEEN ROCKS MY FRIDAYS!)
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Very well said. No one can stop me from going to the polls and voting solid GOP. I dislike liberal fanatics more than immigrants.
392 posted on 05/08/2006 8:57:54 PM PDT by Big Horn (The senate is loaded with scum-baggers)
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Great post! And i'm gonna go out on a limb and say i'm probably in the minority.


394 posted on 05/08/2006 8:59:08 PM PDT by Liberty Valance (Keep Lubbock Flat)
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To: mwfsu84; Goldberry; DManA; cripplecreek
mwfsu is the grown-up who has the facts straight.

The rest of you melodramatic-tunnel-visioned-missing-the-BIG-picture pseudo-cons need to get some perspective here.

View United Flight 93........10 times if necessary..........and remember the evil enemy we are fighting, and the man who is leading us in that fight.

Let your brains control your emotions for a change instead of the other way around.

GREAT job, mwfsu. Thanks for an article that's right on the money.

406 posted on 05/08/2006 9:04:23 PM PDT by ohioWfan (PROUD Mom of an Iraqi LIBERATION Vet! THANKS, son!!.)
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So if the president's stance on immigration and spending upset you - and they do upset me - what are you going to do about it? Stay at home? Nothing could be worse for conservativism

I am very against Amnesty and will not like it one bit if the GOP ignores the base and the will of the American people and pass Amnesty. That being said, I must remind those who may be angry at Bush for his Illegal Alien plan that he did run on this issue even though he knew it was NOT popular. He ran on this issue in 2000 and 2004. I do give him that and I respect him for that. I remember commenting on this to others that like him or not you should give him credit for his honesty. How many candidates would run on an issue that's unpopular? It would have been easy for him to say nothing about Amnesty until he had won and then push it...you know...the Clinton way of doing things. But we should give him credit for atleast being honest and telling us about his plan before we voted for him.

I admit, I voted for Bush knowing about his plan. I voted for him for other issues which I liked. I figured his Amnesty plan could be voted down by our representatives. It will be them I will hold accountable on this issue as it is them that I have sent my opinions to. I cannot blame Bush for this plan. He ran on it.

The republicans in congress know very well that we the American people do not want this. I hope they vote on our behalf.

413 posted on 05/08/2006 9:05:59 PM PDT by MaineVoter2002 (http://jednet207.tripod.com/PoliticalLinks.html)
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Me too, but the logic will be lost on the people here who are down on Bush.


415 posted on 05/08/2006 9:06:25 PM PDT by billva
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If I had told you on 9/11/2001 that we'd go four and half years and counting without another terrorist attack on US soil, would you have believed me?

What are you talking about? The shooting at the El Al counter in LA was a terrorist attack. The Virginia sniper was a terorrist attack. The SUVcide at UNC was a terrorist attack. The suicide bombing outside the OU football game was a terrorist attack...
438 posted on 05/08/2006 9:13:41 PM PDT by Old_Mil (http://www.constitutionparty.org - Forging a Rebirth of Freedom.)
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I agree with you completely. As upset I am about the immigration problems, Democrats in power is the worst alternative.


448 posted on 05/08/2006 9:16:04 PM PDT by peggybac (Tolerance is the virtue of believing in nothing)
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If the GOP loses Congress, George W. Bush will be removed from office.

Even if that were true, it would mean that Cheney would fill out the term. I think we'd get more conservative policy from Cheney than from Bush, don't you?

480 posted on 05/08/2006 9:22:49 PM PDT by TBP
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George W. Bush isn't the enemy. But that's exactly the message conservatives will send to the world if they stay at home this November.

Oh, you want to talk about "messages?" The "messages" from the White House are coming in loud and clear.

George W. Bush treated conservatives concerned about the security concerns regarding the Emirate of Dubai like they were xenophobic. George W. Bush treated people who questioned whether Harriet Miers was qualified to serve on the Supreme Court like they were sexists and elitists. George W. Bush is now treating conservatives who believe in borders like they are racists, and is treating those who don't believe -- as he apparently does -- that American workers are lazy as if they are stupid.

Who's treating whom like an enemy?

If you're upset with W. on immigration - write him, write a Republican Congressman, let him know how you feel. It was conservatives who got Bush to change his mind on Harriet Meirs.

He talked about using his political capital in his second term, and he squandered it all on Miers. Unfortunately, nobody seems to have told him yet, and he's turning his back on his base thinking there's something left in the piggy bank. He's still trotting out that "Workers doing jobs Americans won't do" horse manure, but seems to think saying the Star-Spangled Banner should be sung in English covers it over.

It's tiring to have to whack him upside the head with a two-by-four to get his attention.

542 posted on 05/08/2006 9:39:47 PM PDT by L.N. Smithee (Nancy Pelosi and Dr. Frank N. Furter: Separated at Birth?)
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Party Over Principle Ping.

I'm tired of trying to argue these points with those that will support President Bush regardless of his socialist leanings. From now on, when all of you Bush-Bots blindly argue that everyone here should shut up and turn a blind eye just because George W. has an "R" next to his name, I will just post "POPP" and hopefully y'all will know what I mean, and see how many times it needs to be posted.

Doubt I will change any "bot" minds, but it'll make me feel better. I get a certain satisfaction out of being right. Even if you will all argue with me and push the hand-basket full throttle to oblivion for party purposes.

552 posted on 05/08/2006 9:41:34 PM PDT by Washi
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I promise you, a Democratic Congress won't be nearly as responsive to your needs.

Spread that fear.

Fear will work one of two ways:

Conservatives will chicken out, stay on the reservation, sell out the country, and vote to keep the republicans in office...

or

The republicans will chicken out, realize that they won't be voted back into office if they continue on their socialist path, and revert to conservatism.

I personally think that neither side will chicken out, and we will all have to perfect out "Heil Hillary" chant.

568 posted on 05/08/2006 9:46:13 PM PDT by Washi
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