Posted on 05/06/2006 9:51:50 AM PDT by Sonora
Current poll:
"A time for choosing: It appears that a significant number of our members are so disgusted with the GOP's failure to secure our borders against illegal aliens that they are willing to risk all by voting them out of office, even if it means Pelosi, Reid, Hillary, et al, are allowed to take charge. Is this the best course of action or should we be working harder than ever to hold the line and actually try to make a difference by getting more constitutionally-minded conservatives elected? Are you willing to give it all up or are you more determined than ever to keep the Marxists out of power?" _____
So far, 13% of members and 18%+ of participants in this poll say - turn it over to the rats. What's with that? I cannot believe that 13% of those posting here are so stupid or angry with what is happening that they would turn to the rats for the way back to perfect. Now, 13% will result in a winning vote, in a lot of cases.
Anyway, I guess that there is no compromising for some people - just dig a hole and live there while the rats are in charge. I'm so disappointed.
But you have to consider the alternative, and the repercussions of throwing your vote away by either not voting or by voting for a third party that has no chance of winning, which is idealistic at best. Naive and illogical at worst.
I just happen to detest socialists and leftists enough that I may never vote anything BUT Republican, even though I'm not a registered Republican. The thought of the leftists getting back in power is just too horrifying to me.
Here's a little checklist reminder to myself of why I vote against the DemRats by voting for Republicans. I'm thinking of having it printed up as a campaign poster.
Vote Republican...
UNLESS YOU WANT ......higher taxes which will be funding more and more failed social programs, a weakened military/national defense and intelligence agencies, socialized healthcare and a Marxist mentality, pro-abortion legislation and taxpayer-funded abortions, criminals voting and deciding who’s in charge of the country, tax and spend mentality, constant doom & gloom, negativity and ‘crisis mode’ politics, pandering to foreign entities and relinquishing US sovereignty to the UN (United Nations of Crooks, Liars and Thieves), more anti-gun and anti-Christian legislation, ever bigger government (even in peace-time), a continued dumbing-down education system, a stand for nothing mentality, pro-gay legalized marriage, anti-capitalist/anti-big business, higher and higher gas prices due to leftist environmental ‘concerns’, blatant elitism while pandering to low/no income constituents who don’t PAY taxes, a utopian society (like in France), open borders and illegals voting and deciding which socialist they want running America, more pro-terrorist/anti-Jewish mentality, anti-democracy mentality, and pretty much anti-everything that doesn’t further the DemOcRats' ONLY aim, goal and agenda in life.... to regain power!
I don't agree with Barnes' spin. If a conservative president is elected on his campaign issues, then he doesn't bend over and appease the left of center. It's one thing to make compromises on "non-issues"; it's quite another to tell your base "get over it."
I don't think that document will ever see the light of day.
No, it's not true. And it's never going to happen either. But sure. Throw away your vote by voting for a third party. And while you're doing it, know that you might as well be voting for the DemRats. The apathy and lack of your support of the Rep Party will amount to the same thing.
"You can puke on my statement, but it's true. The Repubs (most, not all) are a bunch of wimps. They have the power - we GAVE them the power - and they don't use it!!! They allow the Dems to walk all over them. There is well over 2 years before the next presidential election, plenty of time for a Third Party to do the will of the US citizens."
The Republican party is the only reasonable vehicle for achieving our goals. To abondon the party now would be like abandoning your camel in the middle of the desert because it smells bad and it spits too much.
You say the Republicans aren't doing they're job. Fine. Do something about it. Work in your local party. Vote in the primaries. Change the Republican party.
DON'T decide that we should just flush everything down the toilet in order to childishly prove a point at a horrible cost.
I don't think so, unless every line has a black mark across what is typed. : )
Okay...I wanted your opinion of the piece before I commented...
You know where I am coming from...except on a few things, border control mainly...I am a big Bush fan.
However, I didn't even really buy into Fred Barnes' column..and it really pains me to say that...because it would be so convenient to just post that link to all of the Bush bashers..but, I agree with you.
I have heard Barnes be pretty hard on Bush, when he has been on Brit Hume's panel, or even on the Beltway Boys, but I kinda think he stretched a bit here.
Thanks for the opinion..
lolololol
As you say, it will take time. The only way a viable third party will arise, however, is if it is grown from the ground up, growing new support and organization as it goes along.
It must start at the local level. Get third party candidates onto local county boards, state legislatures, and US Congressional seats. Then you can go for the big prize.
There's no use in trying to get a third party candidate elected President if we can't get one elected as dogcatcher, though.
Until third parties recognize that fact, they are wasting everyones' time.
It really doesn't matter who is a better person if the lefties run the country into the ground while we are picking and posturing at one another. :)
Oh, I'm not doing that. My plan is to not work to help Snowe. She's secure. I am focusing on our governor race. I will be supporting whoever the republican is. Baldacci's destroying the state. Also, I think there's a female republican running against Tom Allen. I will be supporting her.
Other than that... I can use the time I would have used for Snowe to help Santorum and Talent.
If your state is secure this 2006 I recommend others do the same
Oh. Well then. Good on ya. ;)
he he he
I know a President cannot do everything exactly how he may set out or wish to do. With all the checks and balances that tend to create a slow-moving government, intentionally placed by our Founding Fathers, it's a no-brainer that not everything can be done exactly how everyone wants. That, for me, is a non-issue. And although he is the president of the entire country, he was placed there by those who elected him. Clinton did not cater to the right. Why is there always the expectation that the conservatives have to cater to the morally bankrupt left and if we balk at that, we're the ones with "the problem"?
: )
You know...I don't know.
I am beginning to think that President Bush has to spend so much time fighting his own party, that he doesn't have much left for the dems...
A new thread has Specter threatening to fight the nomination of Hayden for the CIA Director...because Hayden was the one that came out and explained the NSA wiretapping program after it was leaked in the newspaper.
He is the second in command under Porter Goss..so it is logical to move him up, right? Not in Specter's world...so if Bush is to get his probable nominee through, DURING WAR, he is going to have to fight his own party members in Congress.
I know, I know, he campaigned for Specter...but, I have had it explained to me (because I have been furious since 2004)..that it is "tradition" that a sitting POTUS will back an incumbent in his own party....blech.
I say this is as good of a time as any to break with tradition...and call Specter to the White House and break the bad news to him...that Bush is POTUS, not him.
In less than 7 years the GOP was established and had elected a POTUS. The GOP was formed from Dems, Whigs and third party voters. That was in the age of limited media. IOW a third party could be established and literally thriving within an election cycle.
The political leanings of this nation as any nation on earth can literally change over night.
The GOP needs the threat of the possibility of a third party to bring it back in line. Remember the words of Jerry Ford "Where else can they go" referring to Conservatives at the 2000 convention. Ford is the symptom of a problem. The problem of our elected in both the DEMs and the GOP is believing they are owed a vote strictly because of their party name. Both think they are not replaceable and use fearmongering tactics to scare voters into voting straight party tickets no matter how bad their candidates are. If someone wants my vote they can earn it.
They can go and start a third party and history even the GOP's own history says it can indeed be done and can be done rather quickly actually. The GOP leadership needs to be the one coming to Conservatives rather than telling Conservatives to shut up and vote for the sake of the party then be quiet for another 4-6 years depending on the office.
The GOP leadership better wake up and remember where the votes that got them into power came from. Otherwise they may find themselves Whiged out of office.
"I have worse news for you. The numbers would have been worse if the poll had included the option "I will work to advance conservative principles through a third party".
Most of us don't want to reward the feckless Republican leadership with another vote, nor do we want to "hand it over to the Rats". We want to build a true conservative party. If that means the Rat's win for a cycle or two then that is a sad consequence, but if it is the only way to get this country to change course then so be it. What we are doing now, voting for hair-less liberal Republicans, is not working and it is time to have the courage to face that."
This is the truth that Bushbots don't want to hear.....
Specter makes me want to vomit. As does McCain. Frist is a limp bisket, as is Lott. With "men" like these "in charge," an endless supply of life preserves is needed. They have created, from day one, a great deal of unnecessary contention and problems, not just for the president, but for the entire party.
you have to compare apples to apples. Tancredo is in the House. There isn't a Senate race in CO in 2006.
In getting rid of Chaffee in RI, your theory would involve electing a conservative Republican to replace a Democrat in another state to the SENATE, i.e., Byrd in WV. And that is just to maintain the present balance.
Options in 2006 are lean. Best places to look are Minnesota and Maryland for a conservative to fill the seat of a retiring D. Other than that the only (presently) vulnerable Dems are Menendez (NJ) whose R challenger is another RINO, or FL where the R's seem to be imploding with the Harris campaign. WOuld sure like to see Stabenow or Cantwell gone, but GOP recruiting with its base on the attack, has not been terribly successful.
I won't vote that poll. When someone can put a poll up with more clarity and better options, then I'll vote.
I'll work for more conservatives, but probably not Republicans, at this point. The Conservative Party appears to stand a viable chance in 2008, IMO.
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