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Superman flies again . . . but can even he save Hollywood?
The Times ^ | May 6, 2006 | Chris Ayres

Posted on 05/05/2006 11:06:21 PM PDT by MadIvan

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To: MadIvan
What more could they do in this movie that hasn't been done on the successful TV show "Smallville?"
21 posted on 05/06/2006 12:11:59 AM PDT by R_Kangel ("He who lives in glass houses should never invite "He who is without sin" into his house!!!!")
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To: MadIvan

Hollywood is asleep at the wheel. They have grown comfortable and take us "peons" for granted and figure we will fork out the bucks for their remakes and sequels. They have grown lazy and are more involved in political matters than film making. What a shame for us and them.


22 posted on 05/06/2006 12:14:23 AM PDT by Vicki (Washington State where anyone can vote .... illegals, non-residents or anyone just passing through)
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To: Darkwolf377
Hollywood, which collected only $3.6 billion (£2 billion) from American moviegoers last summer

This projects out to 10 billion in annual sales. That really is pretty bad.

23 posted on 05/06/2006 12:14:40 AM PDT by staytrue
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To: staytrue
This projects out to 10 billion in annual sales. That really is pretty bad.

Not when you consider it in terms of the industry's usual take. Hollywood's not nearly as big as some are led to believe--the shoe industry, for example, rakes in astronomical sums compared to Hollywood.

On the one hand, it depends on who you ask about this year's box office:

"The season, which lasts roughly four months starting the first weekend in May, earns movie studios as much as 40 percent of annual ticket sales. Already this year the box office is up, and highly anticipated films such as "The Da Vinci Code" and "Pirates of the Caribbean: Dead Man's Chest" have optimism running high. "The marketplace is definitely on an upswing," said Paul Dergarabedian, president of box office tracker Exhibitor Relations Inc. "'M:I:III"' is the type of movie that will set the tone" for the summer ahead. But Dergarabedian sounded a cautious note saying that just one slip-up could lead to box office gloom, which is what happened last year when the season began with a bomb, "Kingdom of Heaven." That is why the "M:I:III" start is so important. ADVERTISEMENT When the season ended, the box office was down 8.5 percent from 2005 at $3.6 billion, and attendance was off 11.4 percent at 565 million, according to Exhibitor Relations. By contrast, year-to-date ticket sales in 2006 are up 6.7 percent at $2.6 billion and even slightly ahead of 2004. Attendance is also up, by 3.4 percent at 397 million.

http://entertainment.tv.yahoo.com/entnews/va/20060426/114608890700.html

On the other hand, what's box office been like overall the last few years?

US box office for 2005 was $8.99 billion. For the fourth straight year, domestic cumulative box office from all studios continues to hold near $9 billion. (Refer to page 2 of the 2005 Theatrical Market Statistics Report)

http://www.mpaa.org/researchStatistics.asp

So ten billion would be one of the biggest box office years ever.

24 posted on 05/06/2006 12:44:06 AM PDT by Darkwolf377 (If you flame me I'll ignore you. Assume that to mean I think you're an idiot not worth my time.)
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To: Darkwolf377

I'm going to go see M:I3 because I love Lost and like what I've seen of Alias. Don't particularly care for Tom Cruise, and I never saw the first two, but that's okay. It looks good, and the word-of-mouth is pretty strong.


25 posted on 05/06/2006 12:51:40 AM PDT by Rastus
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To: Vicki

What I'd pay to go see is a docu-drama about the second Battle of Fallujah. 'Course, finding a man with the (ahem) of (now)SMaj Kasal would be daunting.


26 posted on 05/06/2006 12:51:54 AM PDT by Maigrey (FRiends don't let FRiends stay stuck on Stupid!)
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To: Rastus
Yeah, a friend says this time they go for more of an "Impossible Missions Force" feel--it's not just The Tom Show.

I personally have no problem with Cruise, couldn't care less about his dopey personal life. And SOMEONE likes his movies, the way they haul in the cash.

As for JJ Abrams, I don't watch TV but he seems like a smart, creative man. But if he makes Ben Affleck Captain Kirk (and I ain't even a Trekkie), he's clearly losing it.

27 posted on 05/06/2006 12:57:24 AM PDT by Darkwolf377 (If you flame me I'll ignore you. Assume that to mean I think you're an idiot not worth my time.)
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That said, I adore Brandon Routh and hope the film succeeds for his sake.

Has he been in something we might have seen?

28 posted on 05/06/2006 12:58:02 AM PDT by Cementjungle
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To: Darkwolf377

Yep, that's what I've heard. Abrams says he loved the show growing up and insisted on making it a team effort.

I haven't liked Tom Cruise for years. Strangely, it's since he's gone nuts that I've gone back to his films! Well, saw War of the Worlds, and now this.

I don't believe the Ben Affleck rumors for a second. If true, you won't need wild horses to keep me away from the theater.


29 posted on 05/06/2006 1:03:04 AM PDT by Rastus
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To: The Foolkiller

Superman: The Animated Series and Justice League were much more respectful of Luthor as a real bad guy. Batman Begins showed that you can do an origin story and get it right. Spacey aside, hopefully this won't suck as much as Superman III and IV did.


30 posted on 05/06/2006 1:04:50 AM PDT by WestVirginiaRebel (Common sense will do to liberalism what the atomic bomb did to Nagasaki-Rush Limbaugh)
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To: The Foolkiller

"When will Hollywood learn that Lex Luthor is NOT a stand-up comedian?"

I liked some of the lines in the first 2 Superman movies by Luthor. Like the "the greatest criminal mind surrounded by idiots". They had to have some kind of comedy. Superman was boring as hell as the rest of the charactors, excepting Lex Luthor. Though the fat guy was funny at times.

I won't see any Superman movies ever again.

Zod, I must admit was a good character.


31 posted on 05/06/2006 1:07:59 AM PDT by jwh_Denver (Illegal immigration 24/7, the GOP ain't making it 24/7, Oil 24/7)
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To: Rastus
I don't believe the Ben Affleck rumors for a second.

Actually, they're not rumors; I believe it was an open story that Abrams did talk to Affleck about a Star Trek project, though no mention was made of the role. But when you charge what Affleck does, on this kind of project, it's not so hard to guess.

As a non-Trekkie who only liked the original show, I think they should either let that franchise die, or, if they must continue, do hire someone like Abrams, but go FORWARD, not backward. Ah but don't get me started on the horrors of ST from the first bad movie on...I'm putting my ideas for that kind of thing in a novel I'm writing. :)

32 posted on 05/06/2006 1:18:30 AM PDT by Darkwolf377 (If you flame me I'll ignore you. Assume that to mean I think you're an idiot not worth my time.)
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To: weegee

This isn't about the origin of Superman, it's set after the Reeve movies.


33 posted on 05/06/2006 1:27:40 AM PDT by stands2reason ("Patriotism is the highest form of dissent." - Mark Steyn)
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To: Rastus

Rosenbaum IS Luthor.

Spacey's Luthor I imagine is like his Dr. Evil in the movie in the movie Austin Powers:Goldmember. Ugh.


34 posted on 05/06/2006 1:35:23 AM PDT by stands2reason ("Patriotism is the highest form of dissent." - Mark Steyn)
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To: Cementjungle

He's done a few guest star roles and was on contract on One Life to Live. I've always been a fan of his. I hope he can fill the large shoes that preceded him.

http://imdb.com/name/nm0746125/


35 posted on 05/06/2006 1:36:54 AM PDT by peggybac (Tolerance is the virtue of believing in nothing)
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To: peggybac
He's done a few guest star roles and was on contract on One Life to Live. I've always been a fan of his. I hope he can fill the large shoes that preceded him.

I hope they gave him something good to work with on this one.

36 posted on 05/06/2006 1:40:00 AM PDT by Cementjungle
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To: Darkwolf377

Unless you have something beyond the Cinescape story, it's not only rumor, but not very believable either. Abrams planning to visit a set suddenly means Affleck is Kirk? None of it is even sourced. Some effects guy says "some others have heard" that "Ben is talking to Paramount." Please. Besides the tenuousness of the article, if they really are doing a "Kirk at the Academy" movie--which Abrams has failed to confirm--why would they pick a guy who is just about the same age Shatner was when he first played Kirk back in '66?


37 posted on 05/06/2006 3:01:04 AM PDT by Rastus
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To: Rastus

To be honest, I'm not interested enough to get all that excited about it, but I've heard it from a friend who edits a movie magazine.


38 posted on 05/06/2006 3:03:44 AM PDT by Darkwolf377 (If you flame me I'll ignore you. Assume that to mean I think you're an idiot not worth my time.)
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To: MadIvan
He soon finds out that Ms Lane is in a relationship and has a son.

Huh? Is this a parody piece or were they really stupid enough to do that?

I mean, if they wanted to take fundamental liberties with core characters, how about a gay Superman? That's the ticket -- and then throw in a long, complicated-but-touching relationship with Batman and sit back for the Oscars to roll in ....

39 posted on 05/06/2006 3:22:41 AM PDT by sphinx
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To: WestVirginiaRebel

Superman: The Animated Series and Justice League were much more respectful of Luthor as a real bad guy. Batman Begins showed that you can do an origin story and get it right. Spacey aside, hopefully this won't suck as much as Superman III and IV did.




Yeah, I knew a guy once that was as big a movie buff as I am. He said back in the late 80's, "about all you can really hope for when you go see a movie any more, Dave, is that they won't f*&% it up TOO bad." Sad commentary, but pretty much true these days. And you're right, those cartoons were great, as was Batman the Animated Series, and BATMAN BEGINS had to be the best movie adaptation of a superhero that was ever made, at least to date (and Supe 3 & 4 were among the worst).


40 posted on 05/06/2006 3:28:14 AM PDT by The Foolkiller (BSXL* The game that made the NFL irrelevant..)
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