Posted on 05/02/2006 11:48:21 PM PDT by FairOpinion
The immigration debate that has dominated state and national news for the past few weeks has been great stuff for the conservative Republican host (Al Rantel) and his listeners, and it’s an issue on which he’d like to hold Arnold Schwarzenegger’s feet to the fire.
Schwarzenegger has been largely parroting the position of President George W. Bush, calling for tightened borders but also guest-worker programs that conservatives equate with an amnesty.
It may end up that Schwarzenegger will need every available vote. An April 14 Field Poll shows him in a dead heat with Democratic challenger Westly, with each preferred by 43 percent of voters in a head-to-head contest. The governor still maintains a four-point margin over Angelides.
“Schwarzenegger and his team are probably counting on the idea that they can paint the Democratic opposition in November as so horrible that they can motivate conservatives to come back to him based just on that contrast,” says Dan Schnur, a political consultant who has worked for both Pete Wilson and U.S. Sen. John McCain. “The prospect of a Governor Angelides can frighten a lot of conservatives and a lot of prospective donors.”
“The governor could,” he (Blogger Steve Frank )adds, “issue an executive order that every government agency in the state that comes into contact with any illegal aliens, create a list and turn it over to the federal government. That’s action. He can do it. He’s the governor.”
(Excerpt) Read more at sdcitybeat.com ...
But it does point out, that Arnold may well need all the votes he can get and the alternative is Angelides or Westly -- some conservatives recognize how terribly that would be, others don't.
I thought the dems agreed on Angelites, not Westly. I've been disappointed in Arnold on various things, but he's a whole lot better than the opposition: both Westly and Angelites have said they're going to raise taxes first thing. That'll drive the remaining businesses right out of California.
The CA Dem Convention endorsed Angelides, but Westly is leading in the polls at the moment.
Both are far left liberals, who want to turn over Arnold's reform of the Workers comp, want to raise taxes, give drivers licenses to illegals, and sign a homosexual marriage bill, which the Dem controlled Legislature can hardly wait to put on the new Dem governor's desk.
$3.1 billion tax windfall a balm to state budget (CA)
http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/1625809/posts
Workers' comp is working (CA -- Schwarzenegger)
http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/1625686/posts
HUH???
Are you talking about Prop 187 in 1994? The proposition that was approved by 59% of the voters? The same one Gray Davis had overturned by a Federal Judge?
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No way in hell will I vote for Schwarzenegger, or any other pseudo-Republican. With Schwarzenegger, it's a personal thing. With the GOP in general, CA legislature and the US Congress, they aren't worth a warm bucket of spit.
“The prospect of a Governor Angelides can frighten a lot of conservatives and a lot of prospective donors.”
I'm one of those "don't let door hit ya on the way out" Californians. I gave up, and I'm leaving. Been saying that for years. Both kids graduate High School in 2 months, so now's the time.
I've been a conservative since W.F. Buckley USED to be a conservative. I was conservative before there "Reagan Republicans". The GOP means nothing to me now. They've had ample opportunities, and they are busy filling their pockets (e.g. Jerry Lewis and the boys) and pigging out on the back of the American taxpayer. Iran will soon have nukes because the worthless scum that the GOP has become couldn't hold it's water long enough to fight a low-intensity, historically-low-casualty war.
The Democrats - I know who they are. There's not a patriot among them. Traitors and Marxist whores they are all, every last one of them. Unfortunately, the GOP lacks either the principles or backbone to defend either conservative principles OR this country. Who cares if the Democrats beat the Republicans? Who the hell cares any more if the Democrats take this country into two years of impeachment proceedings? Regardless of whether the Democrats or the Republicans win, the borders will not be secured, Iran will get nukes and continue to commit murdurous acts of terrorism against Americans world-wide, taxes will still be sky high, and it'll still be legal for American (public) Universities (like every CA UC school) to discriminate against Christians in their Admissions policies based upon their religious beliefs. There's no hyperbole in that statement; just the facts.
The GOP has lost me. The only question is, will I be pissed off enough on the day of the election to actually cast an opposition vote, i.e. to vote for a Democrat traitor to spite the GOP.
As of today, I'll do it; in a heartbeat, if it damages the GOP. And, I've never missed an election in my life, nor failed to vote the straight GOP ticket.
As I said, this is now personal, and the GOP is unredeemable. And for what it's worth, I've spoken to three other GOP voters in my extended family over the last month who have adopted the same position. We must be a minority in the GOP, because the pols can't hear us, and neither do they give a damn.
SFS
If Arnie can win most of the swing voters he only needs a portion of the Republicans to win.
Arnie will try to take his 51 percent of the vote out of the center. Leaving the democrats and conservatives to split the remaining 49 percent.
If they stay home, then they are not in any way true Republicans.
My real Republican grandpa is rolling over in his grave at these idiots. A chance in a lifetime to return California to the Republican way.
Real Republicans aren't those who enable a liberal Democrat agenda being enacted by a liberal RINO Governor. McClintock's election and some of the downballot contests are important, but Ah-nold's is not.
What exactly do you mean by "the Republican way"?
With our "Republican" Governor, we have an executive suite filled with leftists, liberals appointed to the bench, the greatest percentage increases in spending--ever, Billions in previously unconstitutional borrowing, more gun control laws, GLBT special rights that make gay-marriage only a formality, 1/5 of the state lands taken over in the biggest land grab of all time, and the biggest spending spree in history (the pork-filled "Strategic Growth Plan") on the drawing board and being crammed down our throats (despite almost universal opposition by Republican lawmakers).
Is any principle sacred? Is any principle worth fighting for? Everyone with an "R" next to their name will not bring us back to "the Republican Way." But then again, you probably think Giuliani would make a great President.
Well and good except wrong forum. This is a conservative forum. We support conservatives ideas and criticize liberal ideas. We don't discuss politics in in the frame work of partisan-ism. We don't see Republicans or Democrats. We see liberals or conservatives.
In the upcoming, gubernatorial election there are three, high profile candidates vying for governor:
1) Phil Angelides - a socialist
3) Arnold Schwarzenegger - a liberal.
2) Steve Weslty - a socialist
Conservatives will not likely vote for any of these three candidates regardless of the candidate's political registration. Conservatives will vote for the candidate who most nearly represents their personal values. None of these three even come close.
As was mentioned earlier, if the liberal is going to win, he has to cobble together a bare majority from the soft and squishy center who just don't care about political philosophy. They measure a candidate's fitness by the girth of his biceps.
I was thinking the same thing....
The unions and their money are already lining up.
It will be an accomplishment to keep a Democrat out this year IMO.
I was interested in a response.... but, I think they cut and ran.
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