Posted on 05/02/2006 1:10:54 PM PDT by meandog
New York, N.Y. – In her new memoir, NOW IT'S MY TURN(Simon & Schuster/Threshold Editions, 2006), Mary Cheney writes that when she told her parents she was gay, the first words out of her father’s mouth “were exactly the ones that I wanted to hear: ‘You’re my daughter, and I love you, and I just want you to be happy.’”
VANITY FAIR editor Todd Purdum reports that Mary Cheney tells her story in a voice very much like her father’s, and that she came out to her parents when she was a junior in high school, on a day when, after breaking up with her first girlfriend, she skipped school, ran a red light, and crashed the family car. Cheney writes that her mother hugged her, but then burst into tears, worried that she would face a life of pain and prejudice.
When Purdum asks the vice president whether he thinks gay people are born that way, Cheney scrunches up his mouth, fixes him with a look that says “Nice try,” then says: “I’m not going to get into that. Those are deeply personal questions. You can ask.”
Mary Cheney tells Purdum that her father “has very little tolerance for bullshit, pardon my French.” She also says that one common reaction from people who have read the manuscript of her book is “‘Wow, you guys really have this close-knit, loving family,’ and it always strikes me as ‘Yeah, of course we do.’ It was very surprising to me that people would think we didn’t.”
When Purdum asks Cheney if he is fatalistic about his heart disease, Cheney says, “I am. I don’t even think about it most of the time. You do those things a prudent man would do, and I live with it.” Asked what he would have for breakfast at Nora’s Fish Creek Inn, his favorite pre-fishing spot in Wilson, Wyoming, Cheney responds without missing a beat: “I’d probably have two eggs over easy, sausage and hash browns,” then hastens to add that that is not his normal breakfast. “The day I go fishing, I get off my diet,” he says.” At a roundtable lunch with reporters a couple of years ago, two who were present tell Purdum that Cheney cut his buffalo steak in bite-size pieces the moment it arrived, then proceeded to salt each side of each piece.
Cheney tells Purdum that he has not changed over the years, but perhaps many of his contemporaries think he has “because of my associations over the years, or because I came across as a reasonable guy, people have one view of me that was not necessarily an accurate reflection of my philosophy or my view of the world.”
Purdum asks Cheney if, during his “darkest night,” he has even “a little doubt” about the administration’s course. “No,” he tells Purdum. “I think we’ve done what needed to be done.” Of the debate over whether or not the administration hyped the pre-war intelligence, Cheney says, “In the end, you can argue about the quality of the intelligence and so forth, but ... I look at that whole spectrum of possibilities and options, and I think we did the right thing.”
Cheney rejects the caricature of him as the power behind the throne, insisting, “I think we have created a system that works for this president and for me, in terms of my ability to be able to contribute and participate in the process.” When Purdum says that the cartoon characterization of him must not be accurate, Cheney says, “My image might be better out there, this caricature you talk about might be avoided, if I spent more time as a public figure trying to improve my image, but that’s not why I’m here.”
Purdum reports that Cheney travels with a chemical-biological suit at all times. When he gave his friend Robin West and his twin children a ride to the White House a couple of years ago, West commented on the fact that Cheney’s motorcade varied its daily path. “And he said, ‘Yeah, we take different routes so that “The Jackal” can’t get me,’” West tells Purdum. “And then there was this big duffel bag in the middle of the backseat, and I said, ‘What’s that? It’s not very roomy in here.’ And [Cheney] said, ‘No, because it’s a chemical-biological suit,’ and he looked at it and said, ‘Robin, there’s only one. You lose.’”
Purdum talks with former New York Times reporter and former executive editor of The Philadelphia Inquirer, James Naughton, who asks of Cheney: “Does he acknowledge that he is not as pleasant as he used to be?” Naughton knew Cheney as a fellow prankster during the 1976 campaign, and all but sighs in search of an explanation as to why he is so different now. “I guess I would like to believe,” he says, “without any evidence to support it, that coming very close to death has somehow compelled him to act as though he only has so much breath and so much life, that he’s only got so much time to accomplish what he has to do. But the public figure is nothing like the private one that I remember.”
Gerald Ford tells Purdum: “He may have changed a bit, but that was required for the change of circumstances.” Ford, who will turn 93 in July, adds, “Times change, and people change as a result of that.”
“If you’re looking for a change from one point to another, being vice president is sui generis,” Lynne Cheney tells Purdum. “It’s not quite like any other job.”
The June issue of Vanity Fair hits newsstands in New York and L.A. on May 3 and nationally on May 9.
Nope. I'm a sinner like everyone else. Far from perfect, nor striving to be for anyone other than my Creator.
Funny, but no dice. Those are the words of John and he's testifying about God.
There is a huge difference between spreading the gospel and judging whether people will enter God's kingdom. That is His job, and His job alone.
"One problem with internet thread discussions"......oh, boy, that could be a 50,000 post discussion in itself! lol
One also has to keep in mind that some people have different personalities on the internet than they do in person. Big talkers/typers/bullies are usually the kind of people that slink into a corner when confronted in person.
"when most homosexual individuals I've known were mild, deeply troubled and confused individuals."
Doesn't that describe a great many individuals these days?
The original discussion I was involved in was about a father's love for a child and if he loved her less because he didn't publicly proclaim his disgust for her. Some posters chose to add little stringers from each post - taking it into directions it wasn't meant to be. Some people take advantage of that option on the internet, whereas in face-to-face conversations, they wouldn't think that way. imo, of course.
Creating man in His image does not mean we assume the role of God Himself.
She makes a better Bill than he does
not that there is anything wrong with that
reduction sauce? There ya go,,,,trying to reduce the Scriptures. You're going to hell for sure. :)
Thank you for your post.
MeanWestTexan wrote: "Somewhere along the line there is an endorsement or acceptance of the sin, which is not OK."
I find that line most troubling sometimes when it comes to issues such as this. Then I pray for guidance and move slowly.
So do you think that God is "OK" with your indifference as long as they do it "indoors"? What about pedophiles? Thieves? Murderers?
From the bible it seems that the big three are: adultery, murder, and homosexuality.
If someone is in unrepentant sin and they know it, Gods Word is VERY clear on the outcome. We are not to lead anyone astray by ignoring their sin. Then we are also guilty.
Spunkie, Spunkie, Spunkie... John 3:16-20 IS crystal clear. (It was, after all, written by John...)
Your attention is again directed to 2 Tim 3:16 Please explain for me the meaning of the word ALL...
Baring your willingness to do this, please list for us the particular books, or chapters, or verses in the Bible that you think are God's word... (you will note that every book in the canon has a human author, thus either 2Tim 3:16 is true for all, or all is false....)
You seem to be saying that 2 Tim 3:16 is a false statement... So what do you have? Thomas Jefferson's personal edition? The Spunkie Revised Authorised Edition?
Do you believe that a homosexual who, on the verge of death, professes his love for the Son of God and asks Christ for forgiveness... will be forgiven?
It contains the inspired word of God, amongst other things such as Iraelite history. It also contains various statements of men, such as Moses giving the divorce law. As I said in another post, were it not for God Himself elaborating on the matter, folks would be claiming that God Himself authorized divorce. Now you are pointing to the words of men and claiming that God puts homos in hell.
"And that Scripture is anything but vague."
That scripture is vague on the matter of what constitututes sexual immorality in the eyes of God and most importantly fails to address what God said about the matter of salvation/damnaiton.
To the Christian, God's moral law is a very different thing than the OT ceremonial law. Anyway, the main point in speaking out about sin is, it's part of the gospel message. A person who can't see that he's a sinner cannot have true saving faith. Any Christian who preaches forgiveness must address what the forgiveness is for: sin. Repentance requires knowledge of sin. When a person is "saved," they are saved from what?
You want the truth about sin to convict their heart and lead them to repentance. If they do not repent and believe on the Lord Jesus Christ, they stand condemned by God and will face His final judgment. That's the Christian message.
Even if you dismiss the gospel, the truth about morality is a good thing for all of society. It makes people fit for freedom. Otherwise their passions forge their fetters. Moral values are important for self government. As George Washington said, moral character is the first essential in a man. It shapes everything else he does. So the goal of every parent is to raise, of ever person is to be, not only learned, but virtuous.
In addition, there is the old issue of nature. If you have to go buy a strap on male body part to even have intercourse, you were not "born that way" and the act is not natural.
There are many reasons.
What are we supposed to do? Jail them for being gay?
I'm from a generation that went to Sunday School every Sunday. Recent stats say that most people 30 and under don't know who Jonah or Noah are. They didn't go to Sunday School. That can be difficult to grasp. How a person witnesses depends on the persons age. If someone on this thread doesn't know the basics, I'd be surprised. They are on this thread because they've heard and either don't believe or disagree with interpretation.
If a person continues in sin, have they really repented?
Do you believe that a homosexual who, on the verge of death, professes his love for the Son of God and asks Christ for forgiveness... will be forgiven?
Remember the thief on the cross. Jesus answered that question.
Uh no. God gave Eve to Adam and anything else is sin.
Best check your copy and note who is speaking. You use Matthews' quotes of Jesus words, but you reject Johns...
How..... interesting, or intentional...or stupid... (sorry, I wanted to but can't say 'ignorant' because ignorance implies lack of instruction, but the word I chose implies instruction intentionally ignored... only choosing the correct word, not meaning to insult...)
Which is it... You can't have it both ways Spunkie...
Either it is ALL God Breathed or it is ALL rubbish...
I am asking you if *you* believe it.
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