Posted on 05/02/2006 1:10:54 PM PDT by meandog
Nope. I'm a sinner like everyone else. Far from perfect, nor striving to be for anyone other than my Creator.
Funny, but no dice. Those are the words of John and he's testifying about God.
There is a huge difference between spreading the gospel and judging whether people will enter God's kingdom. That is His job, and His job alone.
"One problem with internet thread discussions"......oh, boy, that could be a 50,000 post discussion in itself! lol
One also has to keep in mind that some people have different personalities on the internet than they do in person. Big talkers/typers/bullies are usually the kind of people that slink into a corner when confronted in person.
"when most homosexual individuals I've known were mild, deeply troubled and confused individuals."
Doesn't that describe a great many individuals these days?
The original discussion I was involved in was about a father's love for a child and if he loved her less because he didn't publicly proclaim his disgust for her. Some posters chose to add little stringers from each post - taking it into directions it wasn't meant to be. Some people take advantage of that option on the internet, whereas in face-to-face conversations, they wouldn't think that way. imo, of course.
Creating man in His image does not mean we assume the role of God Himself.
She makes a better Bill than he does
not that there is anything wrong with that
reduction sauce? There ya go,,,,trying to reduce the Scriptures. You're going to hell for sure. :)
Thank you for your post.
MeanWestTexan wrote: "Somewhere along the line there is an endorsement or acceptance of the sin, which is not OK."
I find that line most troubling sometimes when it comes to issues such as this. Then I pray for guidance and move slowly.
So do you think that God is "OK" with your indifference as long as they do it "indoors"? What about pedophiles? Thieves? Murderers?
From the bible it seems that the big three are: adultery, murder, and homosexuality.
If someone is in unrepentant sin and they know it, Gods Word is VERY clear on the outcome. We are not to lead anyone astray by ignoring their sin. Then we are also guilty.
Spunkie, Spunkie, Spunkie... John 3:16-20 IS crystal clear. (It was, after all, written by John...)
Your attention is again directed to 2 Tim 3:16 Please explain for me the meaning of the word ALL...
Baring your willingness to do this, please list for us the particular books, or chapters, or verses in the Bible that you think are God's word... (you will note that every book in the canon has a human author, thus either 2Tim 3:16 is true for all, or all is false....)
You seem to be saying that 2 Tim 3:16 is a false statement... So what do you have? Thomas Jefferson's personal edition? The Spunkie Revised Authorised Edition?
Do you believe that a homosexual who, on the verge of death, professes his love for the Son of God and asks Christ for forgiveness... will be forgiven?
It contains the inspired word of God, amongst other things such as Iraelite history. It also contains various statements of men, such as Moses giving the divorce law. As I said in another post, were it not for God Himself elaborating on the matter, folks would be claiming that God Himself authorized divorce. Now you are pointing to the words of men and claiming that God puts homos in hell.
"And that Scripture is anything but vague."
That scripture is vague on the matter of what constitututes sexual immorality in the eyes of God and most importantly fails to address what God said about the matter of salvation/damnaiton.
To the Christian, God's moral law is a very different thing than the OT ceremonial law. Anyway, the main point in speaking out about sin is, it's part of the gospel message. A person who can't see that he's a sinner cannot have true saving faith. Any Christian who preaches forgiveness must address what the forgiveness is for: sin. Repentance requires knowledge of sin. When a person is "saved," they are saved from what?
You want the truth about sin to convict their heart and lead them to repentance. If they do not repent and believe on the Lord Jesus Christ, they stand condemned by God and will face His final judgment. That's the Christian message.
Even if you dismiss the gospel, the truth about morality is a good thing for all of society. It makes people fit for freedom. Otherwise their passions forge their fetters. Moral values are important for self government. As George Washington said, moral character is the first essential in a man. It shapes everything else he does. So the goal of every parent is to raise, of ever person is to be, not only learned, but virtuous.
In addition, there is the old issue of nature. If you have to go buy a strap on male body part to even have intercourse, you were not "born that way" and the act is not natural.
There are many reasons.
What are we supposed to do? Jail them for being gay?
I'm from a generation that went to Sunday School every Sunday. Recent stats say that most people 30 and under don't know who Jonah or Noah are. They didn't go to Sunday School. That can be difficult to grasp. How a person witnesses depends on the persons age. If someone on this thread doesn't know the basics, I'd be surprised. They are on this thread because they've heard and either don't believe or disagree with interpretation.
If a person continues in sin, have they really repented?
Do you believe that a homosexual who, on the verge of death, professes his love for the Son of God and asks Christ for forgiveness... will be forgiven?
Remember the thief on the cross. Jesus answered that question.
Uh no. God gave Eve to Adam and anything else is sin.
Best check your copy and note who is speaking. You use Matthews' quotes of Jesus words, but you reject Johns...
How..... interesting, or intentional...or stupid... (sorry, I wanted to but can't say 'ignorant' because ignorance implies lack of instruction, but the word I chose implies instruction intentionally ignored... only choosing the correct word, not meaning to insult...)
Which is it... You can't have it both ways Spunkie...
Either it is ALL God Breathed or it is ALL rubbish...
I am asking you if *you* believe it.
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