Posted on 05/02/2006 1:10:54 PM PDT by meandog
New York, N.Y. In her new memoir, NOW IT'S MY TURN(Simon & Schuster/Threshold Editions, 2006), Mary Cheney writes that when she told her parents she was gay, the first words out of her fathers mouth were exactly the ones that I wanted to hear: Youre my daughter, and I love you, and I just want you to be happy.
VANITY FAIR editor Todd Purdum reports that Mary Cheney tells her story in a voice very much like her fathers, and that she came out to her parents when she was a junior in high school, on a day when, after breaking up with her first girlfriend, she skipped school, ran a red light, and crashed the family car. Cheney writes that her mother hugged her, but then burst into tears, worried that she would face a life of pain and prejudice.
When Purdum asks the vice president whether he thinks gay people are born that way, Cheney scrunches up his mouth, fixes him with a look that says Nice try, then says: Im not going to get into that. Those are deeply personal questions. You can ask.
Mary Cheney tells Purdum that her father has very little tolerance for bullshit, pardon my French. She also says that one common reaction from people who have read the manuscript of her book is Wow, you guys really have this close-knit, loving family, and it always strikes me as Yeah, of course we do. It was very surprising to me that people would think we didnt.
When Purdum asks Cheney if he is fatalistic about his heart disease, Cheney says, I am. I dont even think about it most of the time. You do those things a prudent man would do, and I live with it. Asked what he would have for breakfast at Noras Fish Creek Inn, his favorite pre-fishing spot in Wilson, Wyoming, Cheney responds without missing a beat: Id probably have two eggs over easy, sausage and hash browns, then hastens to add that that is not his normal breakfast. The day I go fishing, I get off my diet, he says. At a roundtable lunch with reporters a couple of years ago, two who were present tell Purdum that Cheney cut his buffalo steak in bite-size pieces the moment it arrived, then proceeded to salt each side of each piece.
Cheney tells Purdum that he has not changed over the years, but perhaps many of his contemporaries think he has because of my associations over the years, or because I came across as a reasonable guy, people have one view of me that was not necessarily an accurate reflection of my philosophy or my view of the world.
Purdum asks Cheney if, during his darkest night, he has even a little doubt about the administrations course. No, he tells Purdum. I think weve done what needed to be done. Of the debate over whether or not the administration hyped the pre-war intelligence, Cheney says, In the end, you can argue about the quality of the intelligence and so forth, but ... I look at that whole spectrum of possibilities and options, and I think we did the right thing.
Cheney rejects the caricature of him as the power behind the throne, insisting, I think we have created a system that works for this president and for me, in terms of my ability to be able to contribute and participate in the process. When Purdum says that the cartoon characterization of him must not be accurate, Cheney says, My image might be better out there, this caricature you talk about might be avoided, if I spent more time as a public figure trying to improve my image, but thats not why Im here.
Purdum reports that Cheney travels with a chemical-biological suit at all times. When he gave his friend Robin West and his twin children a ride to the White House a couple of years ago, West commented on the fact that Cheneys motorcade varied its daily path. And he said, Yeah, we take different routes so that The Jackal cant get me, West tells Purdum. And then there was this big duffel bag in the middle of the backseat, and I said, Whats that? Its not very roomy in here. And [Cheney] said, No, because its a chemical-biological suit, and he looked at it and said, Robin, theres only one. You lose.
Purdum talks with former New York Times reporter and former executive editor of The Philadelphia Inquirer, James Naughton, who asks of Cheney: Does he acknowledge that he is not as pleasant as he used to be? Naughton knew Cheney as a fellow prankster during the 1976 campaign, and all but sighs in search of an explanation as to why he is so different now. I guess I would like to believe, he says, without any evidence to support it, that coming very close to death has somehow compelled him to act as though he only has so much breath and so much life, that hes only got so much time to accomplish what he has to do. But the public figure is nothing like the private one that I remember.
Gerald Ford tells Purdum: He may have changed a bit, but that was required for the change of circumstances. Ford, who will turn 93 in July, adds, Times change, and people change as a result of that.
If youre looking for a change from one point to another, being vice president is sui generis, Lynne Cheney tells Purdum. Its not quite like any other job.
The June issue of Vanity Fair hits newsstands in New York and L.A. on May 3 and nationally on May 9.
I meant...
If Cheney's daughter were in ambitious and greedy businesswoman INSTEAD OF HOMOSEXUAL, would we even be having this conversation? If not, why not?
I agree with you. Is there something about my post that you are referring to?
Maybe the Cheney's don't consider homosexuality to be a sin. Do either of them profess to be Christians?
The two are not mutually exclusive.
Weasel words. Is the ACLU under local control? Is the NEA under local control? Are universities which spew forth teachers leftist controlled or local controlled?
Does rational thought trump The Bible?
Well, let's talk when you can internalize Scripture. I'm not really interested in a Scripture quote as much as what you think that Scripture quote means.
You were talking about people should come down off their pedastal to help homosexuals. I stated that there are many who do help, but homosexual activists and their assistants (as in the media, educational institutions, government agencies, etc) do everything they can to subvert that help.
There is One true judge, and no one here is Him.
God tells us to keep one another on the straight path.
James 5: 19-20
My brothers, if one of you should wander from the truth and someone should bring him back, remember this: Whoever turns a sinner from the error of his way will save him from death and cover over a multitude of sins.
Don't local school boards have some say over what's taught and what isn't?
Ok I read the sentence again, and I'm standing by it. The point that I'm making is that a lot of people here seem to think that the best way to help a nonbeliever is to get them to quit sinning. In the eternal scheme this does nothing. Is a non-Christian who follows every word of the Bible any more likely to get to Heaven than one who sins? Of course not. So we must first convice the nonbeliever to accept Jesus before we try to change their external actions.
Vice President Dick Cheney pictured with his daughter, Bill Pullman.
OH MY GOD, BILL PULLMAN IS A LESBIAN IN A MAN'S BODY!
LOL, how on earth did you find a photo so similar???
Their meaning and mine was clear enough for you to tell me that I was wrong.
You don't want to debate Scripture. You want to debate opinion. My only authority is Scripture.
Oh, I see. I was referring to life in general - as far as people coming down from their pedastals. You are correct, in that people have to be willing to accept help. However, perhaps that help needs to be presented in a more Christ-like manner, instead of with brickbats. And, btw, I don't believe there are any gay activists that have the true well-being of gays in mind. Or government agencies, for that matter.
You just think that.
Someday maybe you'll figure out the difference between judging between right and wrong in the political sphere and condemning people. The first is necessary to keeping the world from descending into chaos, and the latter is God's business, not ours.
Then you have those who want to speak some truth, but they want to corrupt the innocent in the process. They want to provide group therapy in our public schools. That's no answer either. Stop gasping at, "that's gross," and start being thankful that at least a few people still recognize that in fact, the behavior is gross. It's not bullying. It's the truth. There's more truth, but that's a start.
"God tells us to keep one another on the straight path."
But does he suggest we do that by whacking them over the head with a Bible they don't understand? or by teaching them what's in the Bible first? Then if they don't listen, you can whack them with it, k? :)
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