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Bush snubs Norway's premier
www.aftenposten.no ^ | 02 May 2006, 09:36 | Aftenposten English Web Desk (Nina Berglund)

Posted on 05/02/2006 4:22:33 AM PDT by Kurt_Hectic

US President George W Bush reportedly doesn't want to meet with Norwegian Prime Minister Jens Stoltenberg. Norway also seems to have lost an influential role within NATO, apparently, some say, because of Norway's lack of enthusiasm for the war in Iraq. Norwegian Prime Minister Jens Stoltenberg reportedly isn't welcome at the White House.

Norwegian Broadcasting (NRK) reported Tuesday that Bush's staff had turned down a request from Stoltenberg's office for a meeting between the two at the White House. Bush, according to the report, was too busy to make room for Stoltenberg in the foreseeable future.

NRK reported that Bush's staff wouldn't set up the meeting because of the Norwegian left-center coalition government's criticism of the war in Iraq, and Finance Minister Kristin Halvorsen's support for a boycott of Israeli products.

Jan Petersen, who was Norway's foreign minister in the last center-right government, told NRK that he feared a phone conversation Stoltenberg had with Bush shortly after last fall's election put a damper on relations between the US and Norway. In the conversation, Stoltenberg told Bush that Norwegian officers would be pulled out of Iraq.

Janne Haaland Matlary, a professor at the University of Oslo, said her sources also indicate that Norway no longer is part of the "inner circle" at NATO.

"My contacts in NATO and Washington say Norway was in the innermost circles in NATO, that we were a partner in this inner circle together with the US," Haaland Matlary told NRK. "Now these contacts say we aren't any longer."

Støre 'unaware'

Foreign Minister Jonas Gahr Støre told NRK that he wasn't aware that a request for a meeting with Bush was denied. He maintained that the US continued to be an important ally for Norway, while White House officials claimed Norway also was an important ally for the US.

Indeed, Stoltenberg's government often has been criticized within Norway for being too eager to please the US. On issues ranging from the relocation of the US Embassy in Oslo to mixed signals on whether government ministers will meet representatives from Hamas, Stoltenberg has been accused of being too accommodating to US interests.

This in turn has raised concerns about a rift within his coalition government. Stoltenberg's Labour Party needs to cooperate with Halvorsen's Socialist Left, which has a far more critical line towards the US than Labour. A snub by Bush actually might help Stoltenberg appease the more left-leaning members of his government, and voters, at a time when the conservative Progress Party is leading in the polls.

The former center-right coalition government led by Kjell Magne Bondevik of the Christian Democrats, meanwhile, maintained good relations with Bush, even though Bondevik's government went on record as opposing the US-led invasion of Iraq from the start.


TOPICS: Foreign Affairs; Government; News/Current Events
KEYWORDS: bush; iraq; nato; norway; primeminister; snub; stoltenberg; thewhitehouse
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To: ProudNorseman
Why not? You smear ours with galling contemporary ones.
41 posted on 05/02/2006 5:39:33 AM PDT by JasonC
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To: JasonC

No, I don't.


42 posted on 05/02/2006 5:47:09 AM PDT by ProudNorseman
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To: mkjessup

Thanks, and the same to you!


43 posted on 05/02/2006 5:47:32 AM PDT by ProudNorseman
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To: Joe Boucher
Finland did the same but I think in both instances it was simply go that way or die.
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Finland was a little different, in that Stalin wanted to add Finland to his merry little Gulag, and the only ones willing to supply arms to the Finns were the Germans.
Finnish Jews were protected from the Nazis. Finnish Jews served in the Finnish Armed forces as officers and soldiers. Some of the officers were offered Iron Crosses by the Germans for valor in combat. (Presumably the Germans didn't know they were Jewish.) Said officers declined them.
44 posted on 05/02/2006 5:49:00 AM PDT by Cheburashka (World's only Spatula City certified spatula repair and maintenance specialist!!!)
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To: mkjessup

LOL, no offence taken. My mom's side of the family is protestant :)


45 posted on 05/02/2006 5:49:41 AM PDT by Theoden (In hoc signo vinces)
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To: Kurt_Hectic
I don't believe that NATO is dead....
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Well, NATO may not be dead, but the body is going to have to start giving some signs of actual life pretty soon, or someone's going to put it in a casket and bury it.
46 posted on 05/02/2006 5:52:02 AM PDT by Cheburashka (World's only Spatula City certified spatula repair and maintenance specialist!!!)
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To: ProudNorseman; Theoden

I can't read Norwegian, but here you go:

http://www.mil.no/fol/afg/start/

And yes, I too remember reading about the Norwegian mountain infantry receiving a presidential citation.


47 posted on 05/02/2006 5:52:18 AM PDT by Gefreiter ("Are you drinking 1% because you think you're fat?")
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To: Kurt_Hectic

Too bad that we can't play hard ball with the President of Mexico.


49 posted on 05/02/2006 5:53:31 AM PDT by em2vn
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To: Kurt_Hectic
I don't believe that NATO is dead. After the EU fails to build up a believable military reaction-force, NATO will be stronger than ever.

Sorry, but this is just wishful thinking. SuziQ got it right - the really frightening threats for the European public are gone. The cold war is over and danger of terrorism is underestimated on the old continent. NATO is simply not needed anymore in their eyes, since wars like Iraq are for sure not seen as European business. Defense is something were money can be saved.

Besides - this way of thinking has its "justification" if we see it soley from the European point of view. There is indeed no direct classical millitary danger anymore. It is rather unlikely that the ChiComs or the Russians will do any attacks on Europe in the near future. Dangerous countries like Belarus could be overrunned easily with the rest of the cold-war armament if it should be nessecary. But this is also not probable. The only reason for a well equipped millitary are actions on the side of the Americans who engage themselves nearly everywhere.

People who think like that (and that are most of Europe) forget that i.e. guys like Hitler have to be eliminated. Yesterday, today and in the future. This makes NATO and millitary nessecary. Maybe the Americans did not find substancial amounts of WMDs, but they brought Saddam to justice and killed his evil sons. Only this was worth the effort.

We will see what the future brings, but I predict that the relation between America and Europe will loosen a bit. This does not have to be a disaster since both sides know that they are indeed depenent on each other. A strong connection will remain.

50 posted on 05/02/2006 5:59:15 AM PDT by Atlantic Bridge (De omnibus dubitandum.)
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To: Atlantic Bridge
Hum just a hunch we can't outsource work to them. Nor can we build up a large trade deficit {debt} to Norway. Nor can we give away another piece of the USA to them etc of any significance. So our government simply ignores them.
51 posted on 05/02/2006 6:02:52 AM PDT by cva66snipe (If it was wrong for Clinton why do some support it for Bush? Party over nation destroys the nation.)
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To: ReleaseTheHounds

"What happens in 40-50 years when the North Sea oil reserves (and revenues) begin to run out? Will they want that strong alliance with America again?

What happens in 10-15 years when oil is not nearly the valuable commodity it is now and Mooslims are overrrunning their backboneless country? Sorry Bjorn, you blew it.

52 posted on 05/02/2006 6:02:53 AM PDT by Neville72 (uist)
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To: Theoden
One of the most frustrating things about these "international" threads is that they receive practically no scrutiny, or certainly not the level of scrutiny that "domestic" threads receive.

Take a look at what happens here. We have an ex-government official quoted indirectly, followed by the direct quote of a professor citing to unnamed sources. If this had been a Reuters article, it would have been carrion beside the road. For all we know, the press is trying to drive a wedge between their government and ours. Anybody see that happen before?

Instead, we must be reminded of WWII as if it has any bearing on this article . . . so who's the Quisling? The professor? The ex-official?

53 posted on 05/02/2006 6:02:55 AM PDT by 1rudeboy
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To: albee

You must be the most stupid guy on the forum if you judge a whole country by the opinion of 2%. The Nazis were not well liked. I know histories from my home town. The son of the Postman was shot on the Bus. There were resistant elements all our.
So either you are completely stupid or you are misinformed.


54 posted on 05/02/2006 6:08:41 AM PDT by tomjohn77
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To: All

The UN as most here on FR understand is worse than worthless in dealing with security threats such as terrorism and WMD proliferation to rogue nations.

An alliance of countries that are committed to the principles of freely-elected governments, a stable and peaceful world order, freedom of religion (or non-religion), etc. is desperately needed, now, to deal effectively with these threats.

In other words, NATO plus Japan, Australia, etc.

The major stumbling block to this is European public opinion, which flatters itself with selfish conceits about American "warmongering," rapacious "Anglo-Saxon" economies, the evils of American-led "globalism," etc., which are excuses used to allow the Europeans not to have to bear their share of the burden of global security.

For those interested in NATO who might have missed this article:

http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/1623994/posts

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NATO debates giving special status to Pacific-rim countries(AUS,JPN,SK,NZ)
defensetalk.com ^


SOFIA: A US push to give special NATO partnerships to Australia and other Pacific-rim allies ran into trouble at a top-level meeting due to end Friday after European members voiced scepticism, diplomats said.

The proposal would see Australia, New Zealand and possibly Japan and South Korea extended privileged status with NATO that would reflect their active role in some Alliance missions while stopping short of offering membership.

Foreign ministers from the 26-nation Alliance discussed the issue, among other topics, at a conference in the Bulgarian capital Sofia that began Thursday.

But diplomats attending said several ministers from big European states were balking at the idea of NATO extending its influence into Asia.

NATO Secretary General Jaap de Hoop Scheffer, speaking after a first round of talks, tried to allay those fears.

"NATO does not aim to turn itself into a global policeman, but if you look at the threats we are faced with today, they are of a global nature," he said.

"There is a difference between a global alliance and an alliance with global partners," he insisted.

He and other NATO officials also emphasised that the ministers were just discussing possibilities and would not be making formal decisions in Sofia.

Nevertheless, some NATO members made it clear they were against the idea from the beginning.

"We're talking about what? The Pacific, Taiwan? ... That risks upsetting China and Russia," one diplomat told AFP on condition of anonymity.

"If it's about creating a global club meant to solve all the world's problems, the Europeans are wary," another said.


55 posted on 05/02/2006 6:20:31 AM PDT by SirJohnBarleycorn
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To: ReleaseTheHounds

Their fields are already in rapid depletion, along with their income.


56 posted on 05/02/2006 6:23:01 AM PDT by OregonRancher (illigitimus non carborundun)
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To: Kurt_Hectic

Hey Norway, what have you done for me lately?


57 posted on 05/02/2006 6:27:36 AM PDT by wallcrawlr (http://www.bionicear.com/)
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To: 1rudeboy
For all we know, the press is trying to drive a wedge between their government and ours.

I'm thinking the White House is really quite PO'ed with Norway at the moment.

58 posted on 05/02/2006 6:43:30 AM PDT by Realism (Some believe that the facts-of-life are open to debate.....)
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To: Realism

Color me sceptical. Relations do ebb and flow, I'll admit. Witness Canada and Germany. Germany is an interesting example, however. Chancellor Merkel visited the WH, made a comment about Gitmo that the press spun into a disagreement, and the knee-jerk brigade here hit it hook, line and sinker.


59 posted on 05/02/2006 6:48:03 AM PDT by 1rudeboy
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To: 1rudeboy
The professor is the Quisling. I'm in college right now and I am used to all of their garbage. I'm not up to date with my Norwegian politics, but I believe Soderberg was one of the more conservative politicians. That makes the snub all the more bothersome to me. It may be a wise political move, but I'm not sure how the Norwegian people will react to it. It may alienate them further, especially with a socialist controlled media. That would be of no help to us.
60 posted on 05/02/2006 6:58:39 AM PDT by Theoden (In hoc signo vinces)
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