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Bush snubs Norway's premier
www.aftenposten.no ^ | 02 May 2006, 09:36 | Aftenposten English Web Desk (Nina Berglund)

Posted on 05/02/2006 4:22:33 AM PDT by Kurt_Hectic

US President George W Bush reportedly doesn't want to meet with Norwegian Prime Minister Jens Stoltenberg. Norway also seems to have lost an influential role within NATO, apparently, some say, because of Norway's lack of enthusiasm for the war in Iraq. Norwegian Prime Minister Jens Stoltenberg reportedly isn't welcome at the White House.

Norwegian Broadcasting (NRK) reported Tuesday that Bush's staff had turned down a request from Stoltenberg's office for a meeting between the two at the White House. Bush, according to the report, was too busy to make room for Stoltenberg in the foreseeable future.

NRK reported that Bush's staff wouldn't set up the meeting because of the Norwegian left-center coalition government's criticism of the war in Iraq, and Finance Minister Kristin Halvorsen's support for a boycott of Israeli products.

Jan Petersen, who was Norway's foreign minister in the last center-right government, told NRK that he feared a phone conversation Stoltenberg had with Bush shortly after last fall's election put a damper on relations between the US and Norway. In the conversation, Stoltenberg told Bush that Norwegian officers would be pulled out of Iraq.

Janne Haaland Matlary, a professor at the University of Oslo, said her sources also indicate that Norway no longer is part of the "inner circle" at NATO.

"My contacts in NATO and Washington say Norway was in the innermost circles in NATO, that we were a partner in this inner circle together with the US," Haaland Matlary told NRK. "Now these contacts say we aren't any longer."

Støre 'unaware'

Foreign Minister Jonas Gahr Støre told NRK that he wasn't aware that a request for a meeting with Bush was denied. He maintained that the US continued to be an important ally for Norway, while White House officials claimed Norway also was an important ally for the US.

Indeed, Stoltenberg's government often has been criticized within Norway for being too eager to please the US. On issues ranging from the relocation of the US Embassy in Oslo to mixed signals on whether government ministers will meet representatives from Hamas, Stoltenberg has been accused of being too accommodating to US interests.

This in turn has raised concerns about a rift within his coalition government. Stoltenberg's Labour Party needs to cooperate with Halvorsen's Socialist Left, which has a far more critical line towards the US than Labour. A snub by Bush actually might help Stoltenberg appease the more left-leaning members of his government, and voters, at a time when the conservative Progress Party is leading in the polls.

The former center-right coalition government led by Kjell Magne Bondevik of the Christian Democrats, meanwhile, maintained good relations with Bush, even though Bondevik's government went on record as opposing the US-led invasion of Iraq from the start.


TOPICS: Foreign Affairs; Government; News/Current Events
KEYWORDS: bush; iraq; nato; norway; primeminister; snub; stoltenberg; thewhitehouse
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To: Atlantic Bridge
You are German right? I would actually like to see your country redevelop some of its military clout (and no, not for the reasons which one poster above might suspect...)

Any chance of that happening?

21 posted on 05/02/2006 5:13:43 AM PDT by ProudNorseman
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To: Atlantic Bridge

I don't believe that NATO is dead. After the EU fails to build up a believable military reaction-force, NATO will be stronger than ever.

Europe needs USA and USA needs Europe. Europe needs USA more than USA needs Europe, but it's still a practical marriage that's going to last.

If not, Europe is toast...


22 posted on 05/02/2006 5:14:40 AM PDT by Kurt_Hectic (Trust only what you see, not what you hear)
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To: ProudNorseman
You, sir or mam, are severely misinformed. Please do not smear my country with galling historical falsehoods.

With all due respect, Quisling was in fact a traitor, and he was executed for treason. That is a historical fact.

As for the population of Norway, I am certain that they resented and resisted der Fuehrer as much as any other captive nation during World War II.

More than the French anyway.

As for President Bush not having time to meet with Norway's premier?

I wish our President would dish out the same treatment to the 'Rats in the Congress that he seems to love cozying up to.

Say, Mr. President? What sort of dividends did you get from kissing up to Fat Teddy eh? Whatzat? None you say?

You should have listened to your conservative base Sir. You still have time, when Tony Snow offers a suggestion or advice, take it.
23 posted on 05/02/2006 5:15:19 AM PDT by mkjessup (The Shah doesn't look so bad now, eh? But nooo, Jimmah said the Ayatollah was a 'godly' man.)
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To: Atlantic Bridge; Kurt_Hectic; ProudNorseman
Obviously the Socialist party in Norway is against the war, and unfortunately, they are in charge of the government right now. The snubbing was against them, not the Norwegian people, or the right-wing parties. Having said that, I still don't think it was a smart move on Bush's part. I don't like the idea of us snubbing allies, even if they disagree with us.

I know of Norway's radar contribution, it's officers who are training troops in Afghanistan AND Iraq, the elite mountain troops deployed in Afghanistan (who were decorated by President Bush), etc... We are thankful for the help, no doubts there.

The thing is, here on FreeRepublic, some of the people have intellects equivalent to that of a brick. Many don't even know the difference between the Danish and the Dutch as demonstrated on the Jullands-Posten cartoon threads. Many like to rant and rave on how they dislike Europe, but I don't think it is malice, just frustration with many European governments who are supposed to be our allies. Don't take everything personally. I'm Catholic, and the Lord knows, there's a lot of people here who don't like me for that reason alone, and feel free to share it with me. LOL. I've started to grow some thick skin, and if you are a European on FR, you need to get some too!
24 posted on 05/02/2006 5:19:53 AM PDT by Theoden (In hoc signo vinces)
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To: Theoden
I'm Catholic

Did you know the Pope is the Antichrist?

(ONLY kidding, ONLY kidding!!! As a protestant, I like the Pope, I really do, just yanking your chain a little bit this morning, lol ;)
25 posted on 05/02/2006 5:22:06 AM PDT by mkjessup (The Shah doesn't look so bad now, eh? But nooo, Jimmah said the Ayatollah was a 'godly' man.)
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To: Kurt_Hectic

Where is it written that the President has to meet with every leader who comes to town? If he doesn't want to meet with someone, especially if that country has not been supportive of the War on Terror, that's his prerogative. I guess Norway thinks it's immune to acts of terror on it's soil. The Netherlands and Denmark probably thought the same thing, too, once.


26 posted on 05/02/2006 5:22:39 AM PDT by SuziQ
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To: Atlantic Bridge
The broad public (and its leadership) in "old Europe" does not believe in NATO anymore.

That's because they no longer need the protection of the US from the Soviet Union.

27 posted on 05/02/2006 5:24:20 AM PDT by SuziQ
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To: SuziQ

Believe me- a lot of norwegians think they are immune to terror! And that's the problem...


28 posted on 05/02/2006 5:25:43 AM PDT by Kurt_Hectic (Trust only what you see, not what you hear)
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To: mkjessup
With all due respect, Quisling was in fact a traitor, and he was executed for treason. That is a historical fact.

Indeed. But what is usually left out of the story when he is used to slam the whole nation (which is often) is that he never won a seat in Parliament in peacetime; was installed by the German invaders; and was viscerally hated and resisted by the vast majority of Norwegians. Thus it feels especially unfair to cite him as in any way representative of Norway, and it is highly inadvisable to do so to an adult male Norwegian's face! :-)

29 posted on 05/02/2006 5:30:13 AM PDT by ProudNorseman
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To: ProudNorseman
"...Please do not smear my country with galling historical falsehoods.

What is the matter.....does the truth hurt?

Are you denying that Quisling collaborated with the Nazis?

If so, I would urge you to look up newspapers of those WWII years rather than pursue your wishful thinking and re-writing of history.

30 posted on 05/02/2006 5:30:29 AM PDT by albee (The best thing you can do for the poor is.....not be one of them. - Eric Hoffer)
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To: Theoden

Indeed. I appreciate your remarks.


31 posted on 05/02/2006 5:31:22 AM PDT by ProudNorseman
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To: Kurt_Hectic
I love it when the US gives clear signals to it's allies!

There isn't a clear signal in this entire article.

32 posted on 05/02/2006 5:33:59 AM PDT by 1rudeboy
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To: albee
See my comment directly above yours. And if you can spare the time, look up some of Norway's contributions to World War II as a full ally, including supplying Britain and Russia with oil and arms through her merchant fleet without which the Battle of the Atlantic would be lost; denying Hitler heavy water for his nuclear bombs through the most valiant commando operation of the war; and tying up some 400,000 Germans troops by active resistance.

"Look to Norway!" (President Franklin D. Roosevelt)

33 posted on 05/02/2006 5:35:19 AM PDT by ProudNorseman
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To: Kurt_Hectic
I love it when the US gives clear signals to it's allies!

Yep, there's not enough of it IMHO.

Plain and simple:You're either with us or you're against us!

34 posted on 05/02/2006 5:35:22 AM PDT by Thermalseeker
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To: Theoden
...just frustration with many European governments who are supposed to be our allies.

Yeah, that whole defeating the Nazis and Soviets with the enormous sacrifice of American life, limb, and property thing is no reason for them to show us any gratitude.

That being said, I'm glad my great-great grandfather got so pissed off at his family in Oslo that he came here (legally) and changed his last name to spite them. I don't like socialists, sardines, or extended winters, and Norway is chock full of all of those.

35 posted on 05/02/2006 5:35:30 AM PDT by EricT. (CA conservatives only serve to inflate the number of electoral votes won by the Dems.)
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To: Kurt_Hectic

Hey Jens,

Complete the sentence.

You're either with us or _______ ____ ___ _______.


36 posted on 05/02/2006 5:36:02 AM PDT by Malsua
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To: Kurt_Hectic
It's possible that Norway's new relationship with Hamas may have something to do with it. It gets quite chilly and uncomfortable being left out in the cold.
37 posted on 05/02/2006 5:36:48 AM PDT by Realism (Some believe that the facts-of-life are open to debate.....)
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To: ReleaseTheHounds
What's wrong with Norway is what's wrong with most of "Old Europe" -- they've fallen in love with their Socialist and Center-Left welfare state.

Yes, and unfortunately when the center-right parties do manage to win elections in Old Europe (setting France aside) these days, it seems to be only by the narrowist of margins, as most of the population leans to the left or green.

However, the center-right parties throughout Europe (again, setting France aside) do understand and value the relationship with the US and NATO.

This has been true not only for Norway (which in fact has historically been one of the strongest supporters of NATO and was the only NATO country that actually shared a border with the Soviets), but also for Anzar in Spain, Berlusconi in Italy, Merkel in Germany, etc.

The problem is that while the center-right parties themselves understand the importance of the American relationship and NATO, they have nevertheless lost the battle for public opinion on this point in their various countries, especially among younger people and students brainwashed by the leftwing media and university teachers. So the center-right does what it can within the constraints of public opinion.

38 posted on 05/02/2006 5:37:19 AM PDT by SirJohnBarleycorn
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To: ReleaseTheHounds
Will they want that strong alliance with America again?

Assuming, of course, there is an America left in 40-50 years. They might be dealing with "Republica del Norte" if things keep going the way they're going.....

39 posted on 05/02/2006 5:37:36 AM PDT by Thermalseeker
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To: ProudNorseman
"...it feels especially unfair to cite him [Quisling] as in any way representative of Norway, and it is highly inadvisable to do so to an adult male Norwegian's face! :-)

Spoken as eloquently as Mighty Thor himself!

Just try not to be a "thor-head" about all this. (groan), developing a thick hide is kinda mandatory here on FR. Do have a great day! :)
40 posted on 05/02/2006 5:37:58 AM PDT by mkjessup (The Shah doesn't look so bad now, eh? But nooo, Jimmah said the Ayatollah was a 'godly' man.)
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