Pressure Ping!
Religious leaders pressure White House for reform...but wait, aren't they both on the same side of the issue here?
Posted on 04/29/2006 6:55:38 AM PDT by siunevada
They are dangerous because they have authority and reinforce people's liberal leanings. How often to they get involved in pro-life issues? Shame on all of them.
If they're going to encourage illegals to break the law, is it ok for the rest of us to pick and choose which laws we obey?
They're a bunch of socialists.
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Cardinals = Whores looking to fill their sunday baskets.
Religious leaders pressure White House for reform...but wait, aren't they both on the same side of the issue here?
Why should they? The Cardinals know that America's first Mexican President will make sure the American taxpayers pay those bills.
I don't like to see Cardinals come out on issues like this. It is their right, but they need to be very careful of what the implactions of their advocacy actually are. Here they are absolutely terrible.
These Cardinals are going on the record advocating humane treatment of foreign nationals on our soil. While I agree that humane treatment is to be regarded highly, isn't there another groups that needs to be treated humanely? Are U.S. Citizens being treated humanely? Is it humane to demand U.S. Citizens foot the bills for tens of millions of people? Is it humane to demand whole regions of our nation have their culture destroyed so it can be replaced by that of a foreign nation?
As a nation we have human rights. We have the right to devise laws that will govern how our nation operates. It is not inhumane to deny to foreign nationals.
Look folks, if we cannot devise and enforce rules to govern our borders then we simply cannot devise and enforce any rules at all.
If we cannot deny access to foreign nationals, how can we expect them to honor any of our other laws? They are after all citizens of another nation. Our laws do not apply to them. If our border laws are unreasonable, then what's to stop foreign nationals from claiming that any of our other laws are unreasonable, or that it is simply unreasonable to enforce those laws against them.
Where does it stop? Well, it doesn't.
As a citizen of this nation, I am subject to its laws. These Cardinals are claiming that foreign nationals are not. They are saying that concerns for humane treatment trumps the ability of the United States to enforce its laws. Today it's the border laws. Tomorrow it will be the laws against entitlements for foreign nationals. Then it will laws regarding certain practices that are okay in their nation of origion.
These priests are advocating the opening pandora's box. Sorry, no sale.
I have not heard of any anti-illegal alien protests in my area for the 1st...I will however, drive around til I find a group of pro-lawbreakers and set up an anti-protest on my own...
This ought to be a wake up call to any conservative Catholics...
The worst part of Bush's proposals are the "guest worker" program.
Why? What could be worse than 12 million getting amnesty and becoming citizens?
How about 30 million "guest workers", here most of the time, with perpetually renewed "guest worker" cards, never citizens, always with political allegiance to their "home" country - predominately Mexico - always culturaly and socially never quite here and never quite home, because of their "guest" status and ambiguous political "rights".
In the matters that will affect them most - where they work, they will have no rights, and in matters where they have rights - at home - they will have little involvement.
Mexico has already started action to "solve" this issue.
The Mexican parliament is working on legislation to establish "districts" in the U.S. where Mexican nationals living here will elect - in regular election campaigns - their own representatives IN MEXICO'S PARLIAMENT. In other words, Mexico is already establishing the means for its own political districts in the U.S. And where are our Constitutional provisions for such a change in the political framework of our own territory? Non-existant of course, as should be the case.
Yet, who - Bush??, McPain, McFrist????? Who is working against this possibility?? No One. And who here will utlimately decide it??? The Supremes.
NO GUEST WORKER PROGRAM. IT IS A TIME BOMB INSIDE A TROJAN HORSE.
Every existing nation in the world that currently has large guest worker programs are ALL socially and politically dysfunctional nations and/or near dictatorships.
(Phillipines, who has a huge significant portion of its work force working semi-permanently in nations spread from Asia to the Middle East and it is politically and economically dysfunctional; UAE/Dubai, absolutely dependent on a huge non-citizen (never can be citizen) foreign, permanent "guest worker" force - fuedal sheikdom; Mexico who gets more money from its workers here than any source of foreign exchange from trade, including more than what it earns from its sizeable oil exports)
Countries that need large numbers of guest workers, or that send large numbers of their citizens out as guest workers have systemic failures, internally with their political economy.
In the US, massive input of cheap labor means that capital is too often used to expand existing labor-model production, keeping wages and the needed skill-set of labor low. It is a short term "fix"; because nations that do not rely on cheap labor keep reinventing work with constant upgrading of labor saving technology, particularly in manufacturing. And, because their work-model keeps improving, your need for cheaper labor keeps growing. Like Japan for instance, who, in the opposite way has hardly any immigration, remains very competitive with us and is currently the world leader in manufacturing automation technology. It is no accident or quirk that actual 22 century robots are emerging from Japan.
Illegal immigration and excessive immigration here has become an economic addiction, and that addiction is racheting down the total skill-level and skill-set of the American work force. It will, if allowed to continue, make the U.S. the new frontier in cheap labor for a future generation of manufacturing giants who will most likely be Chinese. It is creating the kind of economy with a bigger top end, a bigger bottom end and a softer, less stable, more economically uncomfortable middle. Like Mexico.
Bush is an idiot on this.
HA! love the tagline!
I haven't heard of any yet either. But I figure this rally is much different than previous ones. Media has had all weekend to talk about it and I'm thinking the whole "guess what we wrote a new national anthem in SPANISH to go with our country that we've come to take back" just might have been the last straw.
If I could physically join in a counter protest, I'd be there in a heart beat. I can't. But I'll tell you what, tempers are rising and if all hell breaks loose where MILLIONS AND MILLIONS of people are gathered, all across the coutry, just because the majority of americans who disagree with amnesty want their voices heard too, we're going to have a crises on our hands. But it seems to me that a crisis may be what it's going to take to get the attention of those in D.C. and for them to sit up and take notice.
The worst part of Bush's proposals are the "guest worker" program.
Why? What could be worse than 12 million getting amnesty and becoming citizens?
How about 30 million "guest workers", here most of the time, with perpetually renewed "guest worker" cards, never citizens, always with political allegiance to their "home" country - predominately Mexico - always culturally and socially never quite here and never quite home, because of their "guest" status and ambiguous political "rights".
In the matters that will affect them most - where they work, they will have no rights, and in matters where they have rights - at home - they will have little involvement.
Mexico has already started action to "solve" this issue.
The Mexican parliament is working on legislation to establish "districts" in the U.S. where Mexican nationals living here will elect - in regular election campaigns - their own representatives IN MEXICO'S PARLIAMENT. In other words, Mexico is already establishing the means for its own political districts in the U.S. And where are our Constitutional provisions for such a change in the political framework of our own territory? Non-existant of course, as should be the case.
Yet, who - Bush??, McPain, McFrist????? Who is working against this possibility?? No One. And who here will utlimately decide it??? The Supremes.
NO GUEST WORKER PROGRAM. IT IS A TIME BOMB INSIDE A TROJAN HORSE.
Every existing nation in the world that currently has large guest worker programs are ALL socially and politically dysfunctional nations and/or near dictatorships.
(Phillipines, who has a huge significant portion of its work force working semi-permanently in nations spread from Asia to the Middle East and it is politically and economically dysfunctional; UAE/Dubai, absolutely dependent on a huge non-citizen (never can be citizen) foreign, permanent "guest worker" force - fuedal sheikdom; Mexico who gets more money from its workers here than any source of foreign exchange from trade, including more than what it earns from its sizeable oil exports)
Countries that need large numbers of guest workers, or that send large numbers of their citizens out as guest workers have systemic failures, internally with their political economy.
In the US, massive input of cheap labor means that capital is too often used to expand existing labor-model production, keeping wages and the needed skill-set of labor low. It is a short term "fix"; because nations that do not rely on cheap labor keep reinventing work with constant upgrading of labor saving technology, particularly in manufacturing. And, because their work-model keeps improving, your need for cheaper labor keeps growing. Like Japan for instance, who, in the opposite way has hardly any immigration, remains very competitive with us and is currently the world leader in manufacturing automation technology. It is no accident or quirk that actual 22nd century robots are emerging from Japan.
Illegal immigration and excessive immigration here has become an economic addiction, and that addiction might be improving the aggregate economic statistics, it is racheting down the total skill-level and total skill-set of the American work force. It will, if allowed to continue, make the future U.S. the new frontier in cheap labor for a future generation of manufacturing giants who will most likely be Chinese. It is creating the kind of economy with a bigger top end, a bigger bottom end and a softer, less stable, more economically uncomfortable middle. Like Mexico.
The Bush formula of economic success requires an addiction to constant, massive immigration, yet the political and social consequences of the model are going to tear this nation apart. Bush is an idiot on this.
What Bush and the others who support 'guest worker program' fail to recognize is that the protesters, including the illegals, legals, organizers, and supporters are not even considering accepting a 'guest worker program'. D.C. is clearly NOT doing it's homework.
I'm no brain surgeon, but can't they read? Look at these photos....the freeking signs are in ENGLISH...they are telling us LOUD and CLEAR that they don't need citizenship, they are not here illegally. This is THEIR land, stolen from them by White racists! They aren't going to 'work' to 'earn' citizenship in a country that already belongs to THEM. Good grief D.C......
http://www.mexica-movement.org/granmarcha.htm
D.C. has neglected their duty to this country and on May1st they just may reap what they sow.
Translation: We want to grow the Church on the US Taxpayer's back.
Did I hear someone say "compassion" again? Oh, good, I love to talk about compassion.
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There is no compassion in filling a man's stomach or his pocketbook by relieving him of his responsibilities in life. Illegal aliens have abandoned their own house in order to be comfortable in ours. By so doing neither can be the master of his own house and both will be enemies in the street. This is our house, the U.S. of A., and it is our responsibility to set the rules in it.
The issue of a guest worker program is separate from the issue of illegal aliens. If illegal aliens take jobs from Americans (and they do) they take even more jobs from foreign nationals who apply by the legal route to work here and wait years for the chance. Illegal aliens steal that chance from them.
They are different groups of people, regardless of their country of origin, and the political issues that concern them are different in their effects and needs. Confusing the two may be lethal to our society, economy and sovereignty.
We already have a guest worker program, which may indeed need to be reformed. But illegal aliens are those who have not applied to be guest workers. There are 11 million of them by some estimates, 20 million by others. The only thing needing reform concerning illegal aliens is to enforce the existing laws respecting their presence and their employment here. Our sovereignty and rule-of-law demand it.
Border security is the number one problem in this debate. The flood of illegal aliens is a major factor in relation to our lack of border security but it is only one factor. There is also a matter of national security in a time of war and in an age when terrorists have set their sights on inflicting mass destruction on our society.
After the issues of border security and millions of illegal foreign nationals on our soil the matter of guest workers is very small in comparison. Until the first two problems are thoroughly and firmly addressed the guest worker issue should not even be discussed.
The President and the Senate need to get that message with unambiguous resolve.
The best methods to control the border have been studied and debated for a long time now. There are many good ideas and proven solutions. What is lacking is only the will to do it. The cost of controlling our borders will be insignificant compared to the price we will pay, both in security and economy, if we do not.
It would be nice to help everyone in the world lift themselves up out of poverty. But we cannot take that responsibility upon ourselves especially if we ignore our own welfare to the point that we are no longer prosperous.
Other nations of the world have an obligation to help their citizens every bit as much as we have to help ours. It is one thing to help other nations prosper it is quite another to relieve them of their own responsibilities. Beyond that it is simply not realistic to think that poverty can be ended around the world. We still have some in this great nation.
We must stop pandering to American employers who criminally employ illegal foreign nationals. Dry up the jobs and illegal foreign nationals will go home. Home where they can do what they must to put their house in order just as we must put ours in order.
What I'd like to see is for everyone to take the day off...Even if no one protested...They couldn't get credit for shutting anything down...A little rain on their parade...
FR serves as a twelve step program for a lot of us. ;^)
Personally, I would value the Cardinals' political opinions more highly if they would give more than a passing nod to the Church's teaching on the duties and obligations of immigrants in paragraph 2241 of the Catechism:
Political authorities, for the sake of the common good for which they are responsible, may make the exercise of the right to immigrate subject to various juridical conditions, especially with regard to the immigrants' duties toward their country of adoption. Immigrants are obliged to respect with gratitude the material and spiritual heritage of the country that receives them, to obey its laws and to assist in carrying civic burdens.
I'd love for them to step up to the microphone and firmly say that immigrants are obliged to obey our laws.
"The religious community has to decide whether they want to be tax exempt or involved in politics."
Morning TE,
Are you being constructive or a sarcastic persona?
Tactful diplomacy via freepmail, is an excellent avenue for alerting/correcting another's unintentional spelling errors.
So it is apparent with your self appointed/annointed literary FR executor duties, you serve as a role model for all on the FR to allegedly emulate?
If you post was in an unbiased constructive manner, I do appreciate same. If not, "you can got straight to hell bUDDY bOY!!!!"
Duty, Honor, Country,
NSNR
No.
Tactful diplomacy via freepmail, is an excellent avenue for alerting/correcting another's unintentional spelling errors.
I don't give a rat's patoot about spelling errors.
So it is apparent with your self appointed/annointed literary FR executor duties, you serve as a role model for all on the FR to allegedly emulate?
Is that a question or a statement?
If you post was in an unbiased constructive manner, I do appreciate same. If not, "you can got straight to hell bUDDY bOY!!!!"
LOL It was a joke. If you can consider humor to be constructive then I guess I'm in. (Whether you found it funny is another matter.) If not, then, as Curly Bill put it to the Padre in Tombstone "You first, NSNR."
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