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How the Apostasy Debate Played in the Islamic World
Catholic Exchange ^ | April 29, 2006 | Fr. Samir Khalil Samir, S.J.

Posted on 04/29/2006 6:27:32 AM PDT by NYer

Abdul Rahman’s sin of apostasy, which nearly earned him the death penalty, was resolved diplomatically with his expatriation to Italy. But the episode of Rahman’s conversion to Christianity drew many reactions in the Muslim world. I had the opportunity to read hundreds of them in Arab-language forums, with comments coming from all over the world.

Life and Death in Words

To put it more precisely, I read nearly 400 comments posted on the al-Arabiya website, based in Dubai, and the Arab site of the BBC, where hundreds of [responses] were posted.

Glancing through the comments, one can see that around 50% uphold Rahman’s execution because this is what the Sharia [Muslim law] says. For at least one out of four of these, the essential reason for the death penalty for apostates is: if conversion to another religion is allowed, this would be fitnah (sedition), it would prompt others to follow this path, and thus all would become Christians. To halt this trend, which is not considered “normal,” it is better to kill. The concept of “fitnah” is Koranic (mentioned more than 30 times in the Koran) and it often justifies violence.

But then there is a minority, around 15%, that insists killing is not just, for reasons we are acquainted with [commonly cited by Muslim apologists] — the Koran says nothing about this, there are only hadiths that mention the death penalty, and so on. Others say also it would not have been right to kill Rahman because this would go “against human rights.”

Only rarely was there mention of an obligation of reciprocity. Someone said: “We allow a Christian to convert to Islam, so it’s only logical that we should also accept the contrary.”

Many respondents, however, refuted this opinion, saying “Islam is the only true religion, the last revealed religion that cancelled everything said by other religions before it. Leaving Islam would be a step backwards into error.”

There was also a beautiful testimony by a woman who signed off as an “Egyptian Muslim believer.” In a well-articulated article, this woman explained that there was freedom of choice in the Koran. In fact, there are passages which say “who wants to, believes, who does not want to, does not believe.” Or else: “Is it you [Muhammad] who forces people to [believe]?” But the woman takes her argument further: “If we force people to believe in Islam, then we would have hypocrites in our community, who do not believe, and this would do more harm than good. Then no one would know anymore what Islam is, it would be reduced to a political expedient.” She adds: “We don’t need to increase the number of Muslims who are so only by name, but who are not Muslims in their heart and actions.”

Reasons for Conflict and Crisis within Islam

This debate highlights the prevalent perplexity in the Islamic world, not only as regards the question of apostasy, but about other points too: suicide bombers, terrorism, family law, love and so on. There is always a very fundamentalist faction, especially imams, who defend Sharia, jihad, and who would not be averse to resorting to brutality. Then there are moderate Muslims who do not approve of such things and who are in disagreement on many points: the value of woman, marriage… this is the real and profound crisis facing Islam: people no longer know what the true Islam is, they don’t know what to believe in because there are so many interpretations of each faith element.

Solutions are sought, but the key problem lies in the clash between traditional beliefs — dating back to the [ninth through the 10th centuries] — that became harder through the centuries (in the Middle Ages, Islam was much more open than it is now) and the reality lived by Muslims in Arab countries, where an evolution of customs is under way.

The second reason for conflict is [simply] the immensity of the Muslim world that embraces poor and backward people as well as very modern populations. If you compared the member of a tribe in Afghanistan to a man in Beirut or Tunis, you would be looking at [inhabitants of] two worlds that are very different one from the other.

[This joins with other factors that] cause a loss of confidence and identity in the Muslim world: The fact that Islamic countries are not among the leaders of the international community; the fact there is no one authority recognized by all Muslims since the end of the Caliphate (in 1924) at the hands of Kemal Ataturk.

Religious authorities are ever less open to the lives of Muslims.

False Solutions to These Crises

Many solutions to uphold Islam have been generated. [As we review them be] mindful that a large chunk of the Muslim world is in the third world:

• The first attempt was Arab nationalism, launched by Nasser in 1954 and continued in Lebanon, Syria, Iraq. This did not yield economic or political results.

• Then there was pan-Islamism (in 1969, the International Organization of Islamic countries was born), and this was completely inconclusive. We Arabs say Islamic countries agree about one thing only: that they don’t agree among themselves. This irony says much about our lack of confidence.

• In the '60s and '70s, there was a wave of socialism and this also failed and ended with the advent of the '90s. In Islamic countries, opposition always tended more toward the right; it upheld that Islam is “always” and by nature socialist. Even these ideologies failed.

The state of Israel also contributed to the failure of Islamic pretensions: a small state has always managed to stand against the bloc of all Arab and Muslim countries.

From all these failures has emerged a quasi-desperate solution, the motto of the Muslim Brothers, of Hassan al-Banna: “Islam is the solution” (al-Islâm huwa al-hall). Whatever the problem highlighted, Islam is the solution. Answers to political, economic, cultural, social and family problems are sought in the Koran and in tradition. This extremist brand of pan-Islamism has no vision other than to apply Islamic law as a way of making Islam triumph and to save it from drowning. This comeback of religion, especially resorting to religion as an ideological argument for politics, is a state of affairs that serves neither politics nor religion.



TOPICS: Business/Economy; Constitution/Conservatism; Crime/Corruption; Culture/Society; Extended News; Foreign Affairs; Government; News/Current Events; Philosophy; Politics/Elections; War on Terror
KEYWORDS: catholic; christian; conversion; iran; iraq; islam; muslim; pope; rahman; sharia; vatican
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To: Valin

I stand corrected.


21 posted on 04/29/2006 8:42:25 AM PDT by DManA
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To: Valin

I stand corrected.


22 posted on 04/29/2006 8:42:26 AM PDT by DManA
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To: Valin
Ok lets try this one more time:

Christ will emerge triumphant.

23 posted on 04/29/2006 8:43:43 AM PDT by DManA
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To: DManA

I just read the last chapter of Revelations the other day, and it looks like WE WIN! Well actually God wins. :-)


24 posted on 04/29/2006 8:51:28 AM PDT by Valin (Purple Fingers Rule!)
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To: manwiththehands

I think most people would be happy just to let Islamists be to observe their religion regardless of whether we think it is a real religion worthy of mutual respect or a cult by a pedophilic, bloodthirsty power-mad human being. Most of us don't really care one way or another.

The flying of planes into buildings and beheadings seem to have a way of focusing our attention, and not in the way moderate muslims might like.


25 posted on 04/29/2006 10:58:57 AM PDT by rlmorel ("Innocence seldom utters outraged shrieks. Guilt does." Whittaker Chambers)
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To: NYer
For at least one out of four of these, the essential reason for the death penalty for apostates is: if conversion to another religion is allowed, this would be fitnah (sedition), it would prompt others to follow this path, and thus all would become Christians.

So 25% of posting muslims realize that the only thing that is causing people to remain muslims and not become Christians is the threat of death. Now there's something to commend a religion.

26 posted on 04/29/2006 11:08:52 AM PDT by highlander_UW (I don't know what my future holds, but I know Who holds my future)
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To: VeritatisSplendor; NYer

http://www.islamonline.net/servlet/Satellite?cid=1119503547222&pagename=IslamOnline-English-Ask_Scholar/FatwaE/FatwaEAskTheScholar

tells about the official moslem position facing the apostasy (al-riddah).

whereas (in arabic):
http://ar.wikipedia.org/wiki/%D8%AD%D8%B1%D9%88%D8%A8_%D8%A7%D9%84%D8%B1%D8%AF%D8%A9

tells about the wars against apostates (Houroub al-riddah)and their causes, the first paragraph says:

"The 'riddah' wars took place immediatly after the death of Mohammed and were aimed at those arabs who retracted from the new faith of Islam. Remained faithful to the Caliph Abu-Bakr, only the tribes around Medinah, plus the inhabitants of Medinah, Mekkah and Ta'ef. The Caliph Abu-Bakr decided to fight all the retracted, and 'did not leave anyone' of them, despite the direct intercession of the fellows of the prophet to spare only those who did not abide by the 'zakat'...."

Apparently, were it not for this violent (sarcastically their "shock and awe")reaction in its first days, we would only read about Islam in specialized History books.


27 posted on 04/29/2006 11:48:21 AM PDT by Patrick_k
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To: VeritatisSplendor
All would become Christians? Father Samir's interpretation, or Muslim thought?

Christianity began in the east and predates Islam. Fr. Samir is considered an authority on Muslim Christian relations. It makes sense that Arabs would be drawn back to christianity.

28 posted on 04/29/2006 12:04:44 PM PDT by NYer (Discover the beauty of the Eastern Catholic Churches - freepmail me for more information.)
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To: Patrick_k
Apparently, were it not for this violent (sarcastically their "shock and awe")reaction in its first days, we would only read about Islam in specialized History books.

Perhaps, with time and much prayer, Islam will slip into history.

29 posted on 04/29/2006 12:14:06 PM PDT by NYer (Discover the beauty of the Eastern Catholic Churches - freepmail me for more information.)
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To: NYer
if conversion to another religion is allowed, this would be fitnah (sedition), it would prompt others to follow this path, and thus all would become Christians

ah, all the trademarks of a cult....
30 posted on 05/01/2006 9:09:24 AM PDT by Cronos (Remember 9/11. Restore Hagia Sophia! Sola Scriptura leads to solo scriptura.)
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