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Scientists Again Debating How Snakes Came to Slither
New York Times ^ | 25 April 2006 | CARL ZIMMER

Posted on 04/25/2006 3:47:53 AM PDT by PatrickHenry

Charles Darwin was fascinated by snakes — in particular, by the tiny hip and leg bones nestled inside boa constrictors and other species. They were some of the most striking cases of evolution's imprint. Snakes descended from walking ancestors, and as they adapted to slithering, their legs dwindled to a few vestiges.

It took more than a century after Darwin's death for paleontologists to find fossils of snakes with legs. In the last decade, they have found four species. The fourth, known as Najash rionegrini, was unveiled in the April 20 issue of the journal Nature, and it has reignited a debate about how snakes lost their legs.

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Dr. Zaher has added fresh fuel to this debate with his report on Najash rionegrini, of which he was a co-author with Sebastián Apesteguia of the Argentine Museum of Natural Sciences. Dr. Apesteguia discovered the 90-million-year-old fossil in 2003 in the Río Negro region of Argentina. The name Najash is the Hebrew word for the snake of the Garden of Eden. After finding the fossil, Dr. Apesteguia invited Dr. Zaher to help him study its anatomy.

"From the first moment, it was obvious to me that it was important snake," Dr. Zaher said.

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Dr. Zaher notes that Najash lived on land, a fact he says casts doubt on the ocean origin of snakes. Losing legs may instead have been an adaptation in early snakes for burrowing after prey.

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TOPICS: Culture/Society; Philosophy
KEYWORDS: crevolist; genesis; satan; serpents; thefall
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To: dwighteise

Lizards have eye-lids. Snakes don't.

It's a scientific definition, that has nothing to do with the to slither or not debate, but it is a pertinent piece of info.


And on another note -- I don't really understand WHY the Personal Insult notes were posted in the midst of this debate {evidentally something has been deleted -- But I Love Those Notes! Liberty! Personal Freedom! Individual Rights! Hey! I Love That Stuff.

Great Forum.


21 posted on 04/25/2006 4:25:19 AM PDT by 9999lakes
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To: MilesVeritatis
It is learned behaviour taught by political consultants.

James Carville. :)

22 posted on 04/25/2006 4:25:28 AM PDT by Echo Talon
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To: PatrickHenry

They slither to emulate the tentacles of their Creator, the FSM. ;-)


23 posted on 04/25/2006 4:33:59 AM PDT by peyton randolph (Time for an electoral revolution where the ballot box is the guillotine)
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To: 9999lakes

Additional info -- There ARE also a few species of legless lizards. The important difference between lizards and snakes -- at least to a biologist is not legs -- it's eye-lids.


24 posted on 04/25/2006 4:36:12 AM PDT by 9999lakes
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To: 9999lakes

25 posted on 04/25/2006 4:42:21 AM PDT by PBRSTREETGANG
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To: Vaquero
Who are you who are so wise in the ways of science?

I'm the acting executive-officer-for-the-week of my anarcho-syndicalist commune of edaphologists.

I think you may have me confused with Sir Bedevere.

26 posted on 04/25/2006 4:42:44 AM PDT by Hoplite
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To: Barney59

hehe


27 posted on 04/25/2006 4:44:08 AM PDT by Leatherneck_MT (An honest man can feel no pleasure in the exercise of power over his fellow citizens.)
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To: PBRSTREETGANG; PatrickHenry
..and here is one with two legs (Bipes biporus):


28 posted on 04/25/2006 4:58:38 AM PDT by AdmSmith
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To: AdmSmith

Where in the world to you guys get photos like that to post so quickly?


29 posted on 04/25/2006 5:02:30 AM PDT by 9999lakes
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To: 9999lakes

I have seen them a few years ago. BTW here is an interesting article about the two-legged worm lizard or mole lizard http://www.dfwherp.org/cth/hotm/hotm_base.php?year=2001&month=may&shortname=molelizard&author=cjf


30 posted on 04/25/2006 5:18:37 AM PDT by AdmSmith
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To: WKB
You will crawl on your belly and you will eat dust all the days of your life.

Actually, our pet ball python eats mice.


31 posted on 04/25/2006 5:44:48 AM PDT by Maceman (Hey! Who changed my tagline? (Fake but accurate, and now double-sourced))
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To: 9999lakes
Where in the world to you guys get photos like that to post so quickly?

From here or here ;)

I guess those legless lizards just got in the way when God cursed the snake. First incidence of collateral damage ;^)

32 posted on 04/25/2006 5:46:57 AM PDT by BMCDA (If the human brain were so simple that we could understand it,we would be so simple that we couldn't)
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To: PatrickHenry
Did somebody say something about a snake with legs? (and arms)


33 posted on 04/25/2006 5:48:36 AM PDT by VRWCmember
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To: 9999lakes
So, snakes had legs and then wanted to slither, so evolution helped them along by removing their legs. What if some also wanted to have their eyes open all the time?

My point is...God created such diversity with the building block of His creation erector set that one will find almost limitless variety among the fossils and living creatures. I speculate as a Father this was done with Adam (His beloved child) in mind. What entertainment and training value Adam enjoyed while basking in the opportunity of obedience.
34 posted on 04/25/2006 6:02:25 AM PDT by dwighteise (People have more fun than anybody!)
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To: PatrickHenry

I'd say it began when their politics turned liberal ;)


35 posted on 04/25/2006 6:03:47 AM PDT by George - the Other (Ever notice how narrow-minded atheists are?)
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To: PatrickHenry

36 posted on 04/25/2006 6:11:58 AM PDT by shuckmaster (An oak tree is an acorns way of making more acorns)
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To: wallcrawlr

ping


37 posted on 04/25/2006 6:11:58 AM PDT by Manic_Episode (Some mornings, it's just not worth chewing through the leather straps...)
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To: Maceman

You will crawl on your belly and you will eat dust all the days of your life.

"Actually, our pet ball python eats mice."



Maybe he was just talking the one snake
and not all snakes in general.


38 posted on 04/25/2006 6:18:20 AM PDT by WKB (Science Fiction= Any science that omits God.)
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To: BMCDA
I guess those legless lizards just got in the way when God cursed the snake. First incidence of collateral damage ;^)

Hilarious!

39 posted on 04/25/2006 6:20:43 AM PDT by Quark2005 (Confidence follows from consilience.)
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To: Vaquero

Explain again how sheep bladders may be employed to prevent earthquakes?


40 posted on 04/25/2006 6:21:14 AM PDT by trashcanbred (Anti-social and anti-socialist)
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