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Hispanic Veterans Drawn Into Immigration Debate
AP ^ | 4/24/6 | Elliot Spagat

Posted on 04/24/2006 12:27:36 PM PDT by Crackingham

Marcial Rodriguez, a U.S. Marine who grew up in a Mexican farming village, is offended that the country he went to war for might deport his relatives who are living here illegally. Three months after the lance corporal returned to Ohio from the fighting in Iraq, the U.S. House adopted a bill that would make Rodriguez's cousin a felon for being one of the nation's 11 million illegal immigrants. Rodriguez, 20, said he enlisted in the Marine reserves to repay the debt he felt owed to a country that had given him an education and a home for his family.

"People from many different countries are fighting, not just from Mexico," he said. "We want to participate in this country."

It is unclear how many soldiers find their loyalties similarly divided, but at a time when Pentagon has stepped up recruiting of Hispanics to fill recruiting quotas, experts say a crackdown on illegal immigration would undoubtedly cause resentment in the ranks.

"How do you tell them we're going to deport their parents and grandparents?" asked Hector Flores, president of the League of United Latin American Citizens, a group that has encouraged Hispanics who do not plan to attend college to join the military. "That's not America."

Hispanics are increasingly joining the military as their numbers have grown, according to a 2004 study on Marine recruitment by CNA Corp., a research firm in Arlington, Va. The study found Hispanics have done exceptionally well in the Marines, with boot-camp attrition rates well below average. Hispanics accounted for 16.5 percent of Marine recruits last year, up from 13.4 percent in 2002 and 11.7 percent in 1997, the firm said.

Soldiers and veterans have been a popular presence at a wave of pro-immigrant rallies across the country in recent weeks. In Houston, speakers at a rally this month repeatedly pointed to people in uniform on a nearby bridge, and they received roaring applause, said Eliseo Medina, a top official of the Service Employees International Union.

"They stick out like a sore thumb," Medina said. "When (demonstrators) see people in uniform, it gives them tremendous pride and validates that we are contributing to this country."

At a pro-immigration rally April 9 that drew 50,000 people in San Diego, Hispanic veterans from World War II carried signs that read "We Fought in Your Wars," said Jorge Mariscal, a Vietnam veteran.

"After serving our country, to see our relatives now criminalized through this legislation is provoking a lot of people," said Mariscal, director of Chicano studies at the University of California, San Diego.


TOPICS: Culture/Society; Extended News; Foreign Affairs; Government; News/Current Events; Politics/Elections
KEYWORDS: aliens; border; borderlist; bordersecurity; hispanicamericans; hispanics; illegalaliens; illegalimmigrants; illegalimmigration; illegals; immigrantlist; immigrants; immigration; lulac; marines; mexicanhaters; military; pride; racists; veterans
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1 posted on 04/24/2006 12:27:43 PM PDT by Crackingham
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To: Crackingham

Don't worry Hispanics legal and illegal your very best friend, YOUR president will take care of you because YOUR president loves you all!


2 posted on 04/24/2006 12:28:43 PM PDT by stopem (If we need a "guest worker" we'll call........if the phone doesn't ring it's me!)
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"We want to participate in this country."

Seems you have no problema participating in criminal activity

3 posted on 04/24/2006 12:30:17 PM PDT by Puppage (You may disagree with what I have to say, but I shall defend to your death my right to say it)
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Hispanic veterans' relatives whoare illegals are, well, illegal. What is this article?


4 posted on 04/24/2006 12:30:28 PM PDT by L98Fiero (I'm worth a million in prizes.)
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I would say, "Thank you for serving this country. If your cousin wants to do the same, tell him how. Then he'll be legal, too."


5 posted on 04/24/2006 12:32:51 PM PDT by HumanitysEdge (http://www.wilhite.homeip.net/)
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To: Crackingham
"We Fought in Your Wars,"

That is so nice. Now go home to your own country because you obviously don't believe America is your country.

CPT 2banana. Veteran.

6 posted on 04/24/2006 12:33:49 PM PDT by 2banana (My common ground with terrorists - They want to die for Islam, and we want to kill them.)
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To: Puppage

But they don't want to "participate" in the legal immigration system.


7 posted on 04/24/2006 12:34:56 PM PDT by SJSAMPLE
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One obvious solution might be to allow amnesty to immediate relatives of anybody who enlists in the US Armed Forces. Mum, Dad, Brother, Sister, Grandma, Grandpa.

This kills two birds with one stone: you get much-needed recruits, and you get a handle on some of the illegal immigration. Win-win.


8 posted on 04/24/2006 12:36:20 PM PDT by DieHard the Hunter (I am the Chieftain of my Clan. I bow to nobody. Get out of my way.)
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To: stopem
Don't worry Hispanics legal and illegal your very best friend, YOUR president will take care of you because YOUR president loves you all!

Saw the Prez this morning......

Critics of FDR used to say he was the best president Britain ever had......

Well......

without a doubt...Bush is the best president Mexico ever had...

hey you gringos......I'm the president of Mexamericana!!

9 posted on 04/24/2006 12:36:38 PM PDT by CROSSHIGHWAYMAN (Toon Town, Iran...........where reality is the real fantasy.)
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To: CROSSHIGHWAYMAN

Major disappointment, we all know where we stand, and he added INSULT yet again to the very people who voted for him with his usual jobs Americans WON'T do.


10 posted on 04/24/2006 12:40:22 PM PDT by stopem (If we need a "guest worker" we'll call........if the phone doesn't ring it's me!)
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To: 2banana
I agree with your point... I also thank him but I know he is married to his country.

These foreign people are bananas, B-A-N-A-N-A-S.

11 posted on 04/24/2006 12:41:46 PM PDT by Idisarthur
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To: Crackingham
"Marcial Rodriguez, a U.S. Marine who grew up in a Mexican farming village, is offended that the country he went to war for might deport his relatives who are living here illegally."

Tough sh!t, Marcie!

We have laws here, something you probably never learned about in your Mexican village, and we'd really like to live by them.

12 posted on 04/24/2006 12:45:23 PM PDT by Redbob
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I have never understood the distorted reasoning, which sees being accepted into an established society and culture, as a reason to try to change that society and culture. If one seeks to be accepted and is, isn't there a moral obligation to put one's new society ahead of the one, one left? Should not those who come here and are allowed to participate in the America that others built long before, be among the first to defend that existing America?

A nation is not a game of "musical chairs." It is about ethnicity, lines of descent and a shared history. The fact that three of my grandparents came to Cincinnati in their youth, and were accepted, has never seemed to me a reason to favor immigration from the lands that they left. It is rather a reason to defend the society they found here, from all others. The population of America was 75,000,000, when the last of my forebears arrived--substantially less when the other two mentioned came. We are now approximating 300,000,000 inhabitants, legal and otherwise. Every major city suffers from gridlock.

Without even getting into the question of who is or is not assimilable, we do not need any new wave of immigrants. Put America first, not some nebulous notion of humanity. (See Immigration & The American Future.)

William Flax

13 posted on 04/24/2006 12:47:48 PM PDT by Ohioan
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"We Fought in Your Wars,"

Well so did my great-grandfather, my grandfather, my father, my uncles, my brother and me. And we did not realize this sacrifice just to let anyone dance across our border and share the fruits of our labor. How about just a little sacrifice? Like filling out an application and waiting in line?

14 posted on 04/24/2006 12:48:37 PM PDT by Ben Mugged (If you can read this, thank a teacher. If you are reading it in English, thank a soldier.)
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Thanks for your service, now ask me if I care that you're upset your relatives may be deported.


15 posted on 04/24/2006 12:50:29 PM PDT by Bikers4Bush (Flood waters rising, heading for more conservative ground. Vote for true conservatives!)
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Soldiers and veterans have been a popular presence at a wave of pro-immigrant rallies across the country in recent weeks. In Houston, speakers at a rally this month repeatedly pointed to people in uniform on a nearby bridge, and they received roaring applause, said Eliseo Medina, a top official of the Service Employees International Union.

"They stick out like a sore thumb," Medina said. "When (demonstrators) see people in uniform, it gives them tremendous pride and validates that we are contributing to this country."

IIRC, the UCMJ prohibits servicemembers from participating in such rallies while in uniform.

16 posted on 04/24/2006 12:56:44 PM PDT by antiRepublicrat
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To: Crackingham

Does this fellow have political ambition?


17 posted on 04/24/2006 12:58:10 PM PDT by petkus
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To: Crackingham

I would like to ask him if that's the reason he joined in the first place. There might be a pattern developing here?


18 posted on 04/24/2006 12:59:40 PM PDT by wolfcreek
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To: 2banana
That is so nice. Now go home to your own country because you obviously don't believe America is your country.

What? He fought for this country, this is his country. He has a right to speak. It's the illegals that need to shut up and go home or find some way to achieve legal citizenship/residency.
19 posted on 04/24/2006 1:11:44 PM PDT by BJClinton (Happy San Jacinto Day!)
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What? He fought for this country, this is his country. He has a right to speak. It's the illegals that need to shut up and go home or find some way to achieve legal citizenship/residency.

I guess you didn't read his sign

"We Fought in Your Wars,"

He could have said "US Veteran" or "Proud to have served" but he instead said "We fought in YOUR wars"

20 posted on 04/24/2006 1:25:02 PM PDT by 2banana (My common ground with terrorists - They want to die for Islam, and we want to kill them.)
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