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Part Two of a two-part story, and nary a word that the USS COLE attack happened under Clinton, Berger, Cohen, Albright, Gorelick, watchful eyes.

Part One - FR thread with link to article

Families of Cole victims split on ship commander

1 posted on 04/24/2006 9:16:23 AM PDT by Diver Dave
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To: Diver Dave

Yeah, or even who was in charge on 9/11!!!


2 posted on 04/24/2006 9:21:09 AM PDT by stuartcr (Everything happens as God wants it to.....otherwise, things would be different.)
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To: Diver Dave; sure_fine

The OTM (Old Tired Media) would be negligent in their seditious and treasonous jobs, if they reported the facts and truth.

The Enemy Within™ slithers on...


3 posted on 04/24/2006 9:24:40 AM PDT by butternut_squash_bisque (The recipe's at my FR HomePage)
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To: Diver Dave

Grrrrr...can't these newspapers even get military stuff right???

It's CDR Lippold, not CMDR Lippold!

Gah.


4 posted on 04/24/2006 9:25:07 AM PDT by rlmorel ("Innocence seldom utters outraged shrieks. Guilt does." Whittaker Chambers)
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To: Diver Dave
and maintained the moral of his traumatized crew

And I guess the moral is if a boat load of Muslims is coming toward you, shoot first.

5 posted on 04/24/2006 9:25:18 AM PDT by SittinYonder (That's how I saw it, and see it still.)
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To: Diver Dave

And for the record...no way he should be prosecuted or punished.


6 posted on 04/24/2006 9:27:20 AM PDT by rlmorel ("Innocence seldom utters outraged shrieks. Guilt does." Whittaker Chambers)
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To: Diver Dave
No surprises to me here. The Navy benches skippers for scraping the paint on their command. At least that's the impression this landlubber has always had.
8 posted on 04/24/2006 9:27:42 AM PDT by hedgie
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To: Diver Dave
I learned from one of Miniter's books, I think, that Al Qaeda first tried to attack the USS The Sullivans while refueling in Yemen, but they miscalculated their load factors and never made it to the ship. Someone really does watch over The Sullivans.
11 posted on 04/24/2006 9:34:08 AM PDT by colorado tanker
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To: Diver Dave

You learn something every day! This story says a barge, I had always thought it was a motorized inflatable boat. What an idiot I am!


16 posted on 04/24/2006 10:00:13 AM PDT by webheart
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To: Diver Dave

The fact that Cdr. Lippold personally visited family members of those killed in the USS Cole attack speaks volumes about the kind of man he is. I for one would certainly trust this man at the pointy edge of the spear.


19 posted on 04/24/2006 10:10:02 AM PDT by bigbob (2)
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To: Diver Dave

Gen. Zinni had the bright idea to dock the ship in Aden. Interesting eh?


21 posted on 04/24/2006 10:25:55 AM PDT by ChinaThreat (s)
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To: Diver Dave
What most people do NOT know is that the theater commanding officer of the USN was dictated by then President Clinton, not to have fully armed deck watches posted on USN vessels enetering Arab Ports of Call, in order to project a friendly image.

Normally any unidentified boat approaching a US man of war anchored in port, is hailed to stop 100 meters out, and if failinig to hold distance, is fired upon.

Kirk Lippold would have had to violate this standing order to remedy the problem, and many say he should have done, in secret.

The deck watch on the USS Cole did not have ammo in its guns to do its job, and was correspondingly slack.

29 posted on 04/24/2006 11:54:57 AM PDT by Candor7 (Into Liberal Flatulence Goes the Hope of the West)
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To: Diver Dave
Just goes to prove the old military axiom: It only takes ONE "Awwwww SH**" to RUIN 1000 "attaboys!"

He messed up in just one way, he failed to secure a "deadly force" perimeter (and mean it) because his vessel was in a foreign port and armed as a US warship must be, therefore always a potential target of opportunity. So they gave him one last attaboy for saving the ship. But my guess is that somewhere down the line the senior chain of command said....Wait a minute, this wouldn't have happened IF........

How do I know this? Well, in 1983 a drunken civilian with a death wish tried to ram his vehicle through the gates of the Division Ammunition Supply Point (where we kept the real "GO TO WAR" ammo) and a pfc promptly put a bullet thru the guys skull at a range of about 35 meters and closing...fast. I was serving as the Division Staff Duty Officer that weekend. So I was almost the first Army officer on the scene, aside from the MP's. The pvt did it right, so did the chain of command in issuing the deadly force orders. Gave the kid a nice attaboy and a pass (IIRC) on his next rifle quals. LOL.

32 posted on 04/24/2006 12:41:01 PM PDT by ExSoldier (Democracy is 2 wolves and a lamb voting on dinner. Liberty is a well armed lamb contesting the vote.)
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To: Diver Dave
I knew Kirk Lippold when I was on the wrong end of being a plebe when he was a firstie at Annapolis. I'll just say that a lack of discipline was not exactly one of his character traits. I didn't like the guy at all, but I can't see him as someone who would be derelict of his duty. My guess is the exact same thing would have happened regardless of who was skipper.
39 posted on 04/24/2006 1:31:37 PM PDT by XJarhead
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To: Diver Dave

I learned after the first part of this story, that darlin' clintonista General Zinni who's out there rounding up former Generals against Bush was the f'up in the Cole bombing and even admitted.


41 posted on 04/24/2006 2:07:15 PM PDT by freema (Proud Marine FRiend, Mom, Aunt, Sister, Friend, Wife, Daughter, Niece)
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To: Diver Dave

Once on fast track to be captain, Kirk Lippold now works at a desk. Last in a two-part series. WASHINGTON -- For 5½ years, the Washington military and political establishment has not known quite what to do with Kirk Lippold.

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My uncle was the skipper of the USS MADDOX in the Gulf of Tonkin in 1964. His next assignment was to head up NROTC at Rice University! Lippold is not the first (or last) commanding officer to be sidelined.


43 posted on 04/24/2006 2:58:55 PM PDT by maica ( We have a destination in mind, and that is a freer world. -- G W Bush)
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To: Diver Dave
From this article:

What rankles Lippold's supporters is that his punishment doesn't mesh with the government's timid response to the Abu Ghraib prison scandal, or with the lack of accountability for faulty pre-war assessments of Iraq's weaponry and the absence of adequate war planning.

All roads lead to Abu Ghraib for the drive-by media.

"With all the issues related to de- tainee abuse, there has been an abject lack of accountability in the way the war on terror has been executed," said John Hutson, a former Navy judge advocate general and dean of the Franklin Pierce Law School in Concord, N.H.

"The CIA director who failed to prevent 9-11 also got us into Iraq on false pretenses," Hutson said. "(Defense Secretary Donald H.) Rumsfeld fired [A LIE] Shinseki (retired Gen. Erik Shinseki, former Army chief of staff) for being right about the troop strength we needed in Iraq. Rumsfeld said Abu Ghraib was about a few bad apples, and now we have a dozen cases where people in U.S. custody were tortured to death."

No mention of who was Secretary of Defense in October 2000!

49 posted on 04/24/2006 3:23:13 PM PDT by maica ( We have a destination in mind, and that is a freer world. -- G W Bush)
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