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Fred Barnes: Turnout Is Destiny (Karl Rove's new assignment is to get the faithful to the polls)
The Weekly Standard ^ | May 1, 2006 | Fred Barnes

Posted on 04/23/2006 7:22:07 PM PDT by RWR8189

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To: Zack Nguyen

My argument isn't with Bush. Not precisely. He made clear where he stood on imigration before election. I disagree with him, I'm fighting his position, but was under no illusions of his stance in this area. I had other reasons to vote for him in which he's delivered.

It's Congress most of my fury is levied toward. Most of them are not operating from a position of integrity or principle. They are operating from fear, beltway politics, and a Rockefellar rebellion they won't silence.

They blocked Social Security reform, Republicans specifically stopped it cold.

They refused to end the filibusters, they only confirmed half a dozen and the two SCJ's because the entire Conservative movement came together and fought them and brought the American people with them. That and we had a prior legacy of downing Daschle to serve as a warning call.

They torpedoed ANWR because SOROS came calling. It was SOROS Republicans in the House that ended it.

They are still blocking tax cut permanency.

The patriot Act was delayed and only signed a months later because, again, conservatives revolted.

They approved, saving nine Senators, legislation to protect terrorist in interrogations.

The NSA taps only survie because the President stopped them cold by going on the attack in a Saturday Radio adress and the rest of us backed it up.

Now they come out with amnesty, insult us by denying it for what it is, and then have the nerve to whine what we really need are for Rummy or Cheney to be replaced? Or to repeat propaganda it's the War! and gas prices killing them? After they blocked ANWR they have nerve to complain about oil companies?

As I said, it's easy enough to turn their fortunes around. Midterms aren't about brinign the whole country along. Only beating the other side with your base turnout. But they aren't getting the base by screwing them again and again.


81 posted on 04/23/2006 9:39:24 PM PDT by Soul Seeker ("No Illegal Alien Left Behind Act" - (quote: Jeff Sessions) - 4/6/06)
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To: A Balrog of Morgoth
You missed all those marchers toting the Mexican flag?

What, you are disheartened by a few wetbacks marching? What a wooss!

82 posted on 04/23/2006 9:45:34 PM PDT by Dave S
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To: Paladin2
The 'Rat impeachment run' may actually help Americans understand that the dummycrats are more concerned with the privacy of Al Qaeda than the national security of the United States. If the republican party loses that argument in such a debate...they dont belong in power.

As for WMD. I would have never supported sending in ground troops if my President came out publically and said he was 100% Saddam had and was going to use WMD.

We went to Iraq because Saddam had connections to Al Qaeda and he was shooting at our planes...etc. The WMD issue was only important to help us to decide to go in sooner rather than later when Saddam would have them developed. Even the WH dropped the ball on this!

If Bush is impeached. It is because the dems are good liars and republicans have lost their ability to communicate with the American people. I see absolutely NO reason Bush should be impeached.

Finally, I have to say this. I was against impeaching Clinton. Criminal or a civil case against him after he left the White House I could suppport. But the American people voted for him KNOWING already he could not keep it in his pants. The American people had spoken. Yes, Clinton lied and that was where he messed up. He should have not even answered the question. It was the lie that got him impeached. I think it would have been better to charge him after he left the White House. I was against the impeachment because I knew it would open a can of worms. Well, now the can of worms is open.

The dummycrats have been trying to impeach Bush since even before Welstone's death if they succeed...then they succeed. I cant stop that and I sure as heck am not voting for a pro-abortion, open-border internationalist republican to save a republican president who will leave us with no incumbent in 2008 from an impeachment.

83 posted on 04/23/2006 9:50:46 PM PDT by MaineVoter2002 (http://jednet207.tripod.com/PoliticalLinks.html)
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To: A Balrog of Morgoth
Let's hope that useless putz, Lincoln Chafee goes down in the primary. That guy just sticks in my craw

So you are willing to give a few seats to the Dems in their march toward a net gain of 15 and taking over the government? You cant possibly believe a "right thinking" Republican of your choice who wants to build a wall and cut real government spending is going to win Chafee's seat do you?

84 posted on 04/23/2006 9:51:00 PM PDT by Dave S
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To: nickcarraway
Oh yes they will, should the control the House, which they wont, unless there are far more nay sayers out there, then just the usual UNAPPEASEABLES, posting to FR.
85 posted on 04/23/2006 10:01:44 PM PDT by nopardons
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To: se_ohio_young_conservative

Um, I really don't see much difference.
Neither one could tell the truth to save their lives.


86 posted on 04/23/2006 10:03:43 PM PDT by chae (R.I.P. Eddie Guerrero He lied, he cheated, he stole my heart)
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To: Zack Nguyen

Everyone s so high on Rove, but if I remember right, he told W to steer clear of the gay marriage debate, which was a mistake. Coming out strongly against gay marriage might have garnered some more votes.


87 posted on 04/23/2006 10:06:06 PM PDT by chae (R.I.P. Eddie Guerrero He lied, he cheated, he stole my heart)
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To: SunnyD1182
You are completely wrong. And the stated goals of FR are to get rid of as many Dems, as is humanly possible, through the electoral process.

If you disagree with this, as you appear to, then you are in disagreement with FR and most of its membership; not to mention the owner of this site.

88 posted on 04/23/2006 10:06:43 PM PDT by nopardons
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To: Dave S

When you go to vote, is the reason to improve our country or solely to keep the democrats (no matter what the belief of the cadidate is) out of power?

USA? Or politics?

Which is most important to you?

And... seriously... if you refuse to make a party responsible for their actions...are you really helping them long term or are you hurting them.

If you fail to hold the republicans responsible when they ignore their base... are'nt you in a way helping the democrats?

Think about that. You may be Ted Kennedy's useful idiot.


89 posted on 04/23/2006 10:08:28 PM PDT by MaineVoter2002 (http://jednet207.tripod.com/PoliticalLinks.html)
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To: VRWC For Truth
How about understanding how this government works and stop demanding the this or any other present act like a king or a benevolent dictator?
90 posted on 04/23/2006 10:09:39 PM PDT by nopardons
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To: SunnyD1182

Um, Kerry ran on a patform of "Hey, we hate conservatives, especially George Bush, so vote for us!"
Didn't work for him, don't see a "Hey, let's not impeach W" as a great rallying cry for us.


91 posted on 04/23/2006 10:10:41 PM PDT by chae (R.I.P. Eddie Guerrero He lied, he cheated, he stole my heart)
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To: Dave S
You know, if you are going to call someone out, at least get the basics right.

You wrote, So you are willing to give a few seats to the Dems in their march toward a net gain of 15 and taking over the government? You cant possibly believe a "right thinking" Republican of your choice who wants to build a wall and cut real government spending is going to win Chafee's seat do you?

First of all, I'm not advocating a mass-purge of every Republican who meets my definition of a RINO. Just one, to better motivate the others. The one I choose is Chaffee, who BTW, is the most worthless of a remarkably worthless lot. At some point, if you are going to have a political party, you must make at least a token attempt at enforcing party discipline.

A net gain of 15 seats? That's in the House. Chaffee is a Senator. Just in case you were wondering, Mr. Gergen.

Hey, maybe Chaffee's primary opponent won't win the seat. So what? Incumbency shouldn't be a prima facie case for guaranteed future employment, especially for an incumbent who routinely forgets which party he is member of.

I'm frankly sick of this "no enemies on the left" crap I've been seeing so much of lately from those who are convinced that every RINO is essential to keeping control of the Congress.

We can lose one. There's no better candidate for the heave-ho then Chaffee(RINO-RI).
92 posted on 04/23/2006 10:15:32 PM PDT by A Balrog of Morgoth (With fire, sword, and stinging whip I drive the RINOs in terror before me.)
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To: jveritas

AMEN!


93 posted on 04/23/2006 10:16:24 PM PDT by nopardons
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To: chae
Um, Kerry ran on a patform of "Hey, we hate conservatives, especially George Bush, so vote for us!" Didn't work for him, don't see a "Hey, let's not impeach W" as a great rallying cry for us.

Good point! We need to keep on the issues. Those we help get elected also need to keep their promises.

Personally I dont see...AM I MISSING SOMETHING????... you people in FR are making think Bush did something impeachable... Maybe I'm stupid but I cannot see anything Bush has done that can get him impeached. PLEASE! This "Hey, let's not impeach W so keep the dems out of power" rallying cry can look suspicious to an average American voter. You're starting to make me wonder... I think it's all panic. I hope.

94 posted on 04/23/2006 10:18:39 PM PDT by MaineVoter2002 (http://jednet207.tripod.com/PoliticalLinks.html)
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To: RWR8189

Fred and Rove are out to lunch these days.

Cater to yer base doofusses


95 posted on 04/23/2006 10:19:28 PM PDT by wardaddy ("I believe it is peace for our time... go home and get a nice quiet sleep")
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To: Common Tator

Sadly, a lot of people here would rather be miserable and have everyone else be miserable too; with Dems in charge. Time and experience hasn't taught them any lessons at all.


96 posted on 04/23/2006 10:19:28 PM PDT by nopardons
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To: se_ohio_young_conservative
But if it comes down to McCain or Hillary, I will take McCain.

I'd do the same. It'll be painful, though.

Captain Queeg or Evita.

Man, what a Hobson's Choice.
97 posted on 04/23/2006 10:19:28 PM PDT by A Balrog of Morgoth (With fire, sword, and stinging whip I drive the RINOs in terror before me.)
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To: Common Tator

Very funny and excellent post.


98 posted on 04/23/2006 10:22:23 PM PDT by jveritas (Hate can never win elections.)
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To: nopardons
Sadly, a lot of people here would rather be miserable and have everyone else be miserable too; with Dems in charge. Time and experience hasn't taught them any lessons at all.

I think you may be a bit too pessimistic. Parties that don't listen to their base tend to have bad days at the polls. All this noise on these threads....you know what that is?

It's the base sounding off.

The question is: Will the GOP listen to its base?

I think that maybe they will. We'll see.

Going off on that segment of the Republican party that is tone-deaf on the immigration and border-control issues may cause them to toe the line. Or maybe it won't.
99 posted on 04/23/2006 10:27:43 PM PDT by A Balrog of Morgoth (With fire, sword, and stinging whip I drive the RINOs in terror before me.)
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To: MaineVoter2002
You're wrong; most of the Americans who voted and voted again, to get and then to keep Clinton in office, as president, knew little about him and what he did. He never even got very much of a majority.

The first time around, the Media, Perot, and a bunch of sit at homes, gave Clinton the win. Even with running a campaign, he heart was NOT in, President G.H.W, Bush WAS closing in, at the last minute. But it was not to be so.

But this election, the one in November of '06, is NOT a presidential one and the many people, on this thread, carping about this president Bush, are proving just how little they know or even care about REAL politics. For them, it's all emotion and venting their spleen.

And should the worst happen, and the GOP loses the House ( which I don't think is going to happen ), the Dems WILL impeach the president and anything and everything "bad" that happens, WILL be blamed on President Bush; though it WILL be that the damned Dems caused it. Most people don't know what we know, because they don't read FR. Even some here, don't read much of what's post here, nor do they take the time to understand it; sad to say.

100 posted on 04/23/2006 10:42:02 PM PDT by nopardons
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