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To: SmithL
By 59 he should have saved enough so that he could retire. Then it wouldn't really matter if he were laid off. His savings should have been enough for your food, clothing, health insurance, and whatever fun he wants to have. Your home should be paid off by then.

But, this is the "live for the now" society where many spend every penny rather than save for the day when they get laid off.

6 posted on 04/23/2006 7:59:01 AM PDT by 69ConvertibleFirebird (Never argue with an idiot. They drag you down to their level, then beat you with experience.)
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To: 69ConvertibleFirebird
Then it wouldn't really matter if he were laid off.

You tell 'em!

7 posted on 04/23/2006 8:03:31 AM PDT by Glenn (There is a looming Tupperware shortage. Plan appropriately.)
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To: 69ConvertibleFirebird
By 59 he should have saved enough so that he could retire. Then it wouldn't really matter if he were laid off. His savings should have been enough for your food, clothing, health insurance, and whatever fun he wants to have. Your home should be paid off by then. But, this is the "live for the now" society where many spend every penny rather than save for the day when they get laid off.

Not everyone is as fortunate and perfect as you seem to be.

21 posted on 04/23/2006 8:17:21 AM PDT by bfree (PC is BS)
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To: 69ConvertibleFirebird

By 59 he should have saved enough so that he could retire.

Or

By 59 he should have developed a useful skill that employers would want and be willing to pay for.

Too bad, so sad.


28 posted on 04/23/2006 8:22:16 AM PDT by proudpapa (of three.)
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To: 69ConvertibleFirebird
By 59 he should have saved enough so that he could retire.

Thank you Hillary.

30 posted on 04/23/2006 8:24:18 AM PDT by P-Marlowe (((172 * 3.141592653589793238462) / 180) * 10 = 30.0196631)
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To: 69ConvertibleFirebird

Get real. When I'm 59 I'll still have a kid in college. Not everyone can be in a position to retire early.


54 posted on 04/23/2006 8:39:02 AM PDT by ContraryMary (New Jersey -- Superfund cleanup capital of the U.S.A.)
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To: 69ConvertibleFirebird
re :By 59 he should have saved enough so that he could retire. Then it wouldn't really matter if he were laid off. His savings should have been enough for your food, clothing, health insurance, and whatever fun he wants to have. Your home should be paid off by then.

LOL that could be me you are telling off as well.

I knew we should never of had the kids, Joking, but they do eat up the budget.

65 posted on 04/23/2006 8:46:43 AM PDT by tonycavanagh (We got plenty of doomsayers where are the truth sayers)
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To: 69ConvertibleFirebird
Then it wouldn't really matter if he were laid off. His savings should have been enough for your food, clothing, health insurance, and whatever fun he wants to have.

But probably not enough to pay for college for a child or children from a second marriage, or just "surprises" from a first or later than usual marriage. Or for grandchildren, or children of family members being raised by this man. You haven't a clue what his real situation is.

Being laid off at almost 49 myself, (after 21+ years with the same company, a result of Clinton sizing of the military), I can tell you that it's an emotionally wrenching experience. I can also tell you that it's a financially debilitating one, even when one finds a new position, after months or years of under or unemployment. In my case, it's resulted in a second house payment, earlier apartment rent. And now a third house payment, somewhat but not totally offset by rental receipts on the second house. (I bought it after nearly 6 years of renting, and after being assured that my position was "safe" for a few years at least. Well the position was safe, but I got transferred 2.5 hours away. I had owned the house for about 9 months and it would have cost a pretty penny to sell it, and I thought wrongly that it would rent easily and stay rented most of the time, so as to preserve my down payment rather than lose it to a realtor commission.(Heck the realtor who would have been the listing agent told me it wasn't wise to sell it at that time).

69 posted on 04/23/2006 8:49:18 AM PDT by El Gato
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To: 69ConvertibleFirebird
By 59 he should have saved enough so that he could retire.

In retrospect, yes. But our economy depends on the purchases of those who failed to plan their careers effectively.

If all this country can say to laid-off workers is "too bad you can't find a job, you should have planned better," I guarantee you there will be a revolt as disgruntled, out-of-work have-nots overthrow their corporate overlords.

It won't be pretty, and it won't be good when it happens - but if corporate America and the Establishment don't wake up to the fact that it is unsustainable to pay executives ridiculous golden parachutes while expecting the worker bees to work for peanuts, then an economic revolution is inevitable.

America's working class puts up with a lot, what with unemployment, low wages, out-of-control health care costs, and the like. Eventually, the workers of the world will unite. It won't be pretty when they do. Unless Corporate America wakes up and rediscovers the concept of nobless oblige, then some sort of Communism will be inevitable.

Market capitalism isn't free. Corporate responsibility is the price for keeping communism at bay. Call it enlightened self-interest. If corporations keep screwing 59-year-old retirees, eventually the workers will say "Enough."

83 posted on 04/23/2006 8:58:44 AM PDT by jude24 ("The Church is a harlot, but she is my mother." - St. Augustine)
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To: 69ConvertibleFirebird

I don't know what your smoking, but I'd like some. This isn't 1958 anymore. Talk about being out of touch with reality and the cost of modern living. I don't know any one that's 59 that most likely has children that are in college that "should have enough so that he could retire". Get a grip!


85 posted on 04/23/2006 9:00:57 AM PDT by squalus192
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To: 69ConvertibleFirebird

Bingo! Never trust in anyone to "owe" you a job, a retirement, insurance, and so forth. There is only one person who has your own best interest in mind: you.


103 posted on 04/23/2006 9:18:55 AM PDT by DennisR (Look around - God is giving you countless observable clues of His existence!)
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To: 69ConvertibleFirebird
I wish it were that easy, but sometimes, reality takes over.

My father ran through his savings due to 3 hospitaliztions in 5 years (diabbetes-related) and hasn't worked since september. (more medical problems)

Throw in a ICU visit, and a 2 week stay in the hospital with no insurance, and it pretty much ruins you financially. Fortunately, I am able to help fiancially during this difficult period.

153 posted on 04/23/2006 9:51:44 AM PDT by Maigrey (FRiends don't let FRiends stay stuck on Stupid!)
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To: 69ConvertibleFirebird

Perhaps, but not everyone can/wants to retire at 59. It's not that old, perhaps he still has kids in college. Plenty of people actually like to work and want to, well into their 60s and 70s. This is not like years past, when you were more than likely going to be dead by 65 or 70. Many are living well into their 90s and beyond. 30-40 years of retirement takes ALOT of money and is a long time to remain idle, as well.


156 posted on 04/23/2006 9:54:26 AM PDT by GatorGirl
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To: 69ConvertibleFirebird; windcliff; stylecouncilor; SmithL
By 59 he should have saved enough so that he could retire.

Bing! Bing!

The I've got mine club just dropped in, welcome.You people make me sick.

Now all you poor people out there stand by for a lesson on what you should have done.

158 posted on 04/23/2006 9:57:29 AM PDT by itsahoot (Any country that does not control its borders, is not a country. Ronald Reagan)
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To: 69ConvertibleFirebird; A. Pole; neutrino; Aliska; Sam the Sham; Willie Green; Havoc; ...
By 59 he should have saved enough so that he could retire. Then it wouldn't really matter if he were laid off. His savings should have been enough for your food, clothing, health insurance, and whatever fun he wants to have. Your home should be paid off by then.

Not everyone can do that though after you pay your living expenses and such.

But, this is the "live for the now" society where many spend every penny rather than save for the day when they get laid off.

Although I cannot deny that this is part of the problem with some people, but still that doesn't explain everyone's situation.

Pinging the crowd on this one.
211 posted on 04/23/2006 11:04:11 AM PDT by Nowhere Man (Greystone, I'll miss you (5-12-2001 - 4-15-2006) RIP little buddy.)
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To: 69ConvertibleFirebird
"By 59 he should have saved enough so that he could retire. Then it wouldn't really matter if he were laid off. His savings should have been enough for your food, clothing, health insurance, and whatever fun he wants to have. Your home should be paid off by then."

Yup. Been there done that. I quit work at the end of 1994 at age 50. Haven't worked a day since. With a good plan, anyone can do it in 15-20 years. Always pay yourself first...it's about capital and preserving it..

236 posted on 04/23/2006 11:31:47 AM PDT by blam
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To: 69ConvertibleFirebird

I could not agree more.

This is the exact situation we are finding most "boomers" in and then they expect the government to support them.

Hope he's not crying into his $5.00 latte at Starbucks.


268 posted on 04/23/2006 12:25:16 PM PDT by not2worry (What goes around comes around.)
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Re: "But, this is the "live for the now" society where many spend every penny rather than save for the day when they get laid off."

You got that right... especially in west Plano (Texas). There was an article in the Dallas Morning News about a year and a half ago talking about how many folks in that zip code are leveraged to the hilt. I believe one of the quotes from the article mentioned that if these folks were picked up and turned upside down, not even a penny would fall out of their pockets.

Keeping up with the Joneses... ain't it a beeeotch.

302 posted on 04/23/2006 1:35:57 PM PDT by Trajan88 (www.bullittclub.com)
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"By 59 he should have saved enough so that he could retire. Then it wouldn't really matter if he were laid off. His savings should have been enough for your food, clothing, health insurance, and whatever fun he wants to have. Your home should be paid off by then."

You read a few paragraphs on this man and make a judgment as if you're lord and master? I know many people in his age bracket who as the article says "have been thrifty," and thought they were investing wisely -- were planning on retiring until the stock market took a dive a few years back -- they're still working -- and like me -- will most likely be working the rest of their lives. It's the brave new world -- some win (sometimes at the expense of others) and some lose. Frankly, I admire this man and woman for continuing to work at whatever work they can find.

337 posted on 04/23/2006 3:10:13 PM PDT by EverOnward (help support our hero soldiers at anysoldier.com)
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"By 59 he should have saved enough so that he could retire. Then it wouldn't really matter if he were laid off. His savings should have been enough for your food, clothing, health insurance, and whatever fun he wants to have. Your home should be paid off by then."
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That is cold response, since you have no idea of the circumstances of this man's life. If you have been fortunate enough to have lived your life with no unexpected health costs and if you are not responsible for the help or care of family members and if you have never been broadsided by any kind of unexpected tragedy, then I am delighted for you. But for you to state that "by 59, he SHOULD have saved enough" for an unexpected downsizing is assuming much that you do not know.


356 posted on 04/23/2006 3:53:23 PM PDT by OkeyDokeyOkie
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To: 69ConvertibleFirebird

Just wondering your age. You do not seem to realize that everyone's life experiences are not the same.


375 posted on 04/23/2006 4:22:10 PM PDT by Irish Eyes
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