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'Westerners are too self-absorbed'[Dalai Lama on Homosexuality, etc.]
Telegraph ^ | 4/1/2006 | Alice Thompson

Posted on 04/21/2006 2:11:41 PM PDT by Unam Sanctam

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Although he is known for his tolerant, humane views, he is a surprisingly harsh critic of homosexuality. If you are a Buddhist, he says, it is wrong. "Full stop.

No way round it.

"A gay couple came to see me, seeking my support and blessing. I had to explain our teachings. Another lady introduced another woman as her wife - astonishing. It is the same with a husband and wife using certain sexual practices. Using the other two holes is wrong."

At this point, he looks across at his interpreter - who seems mainly redundant - to check that he has been using the right English words to discuss this delicate matter. The interpreter gives a barely perceptible nod.

"A Western friend asked me what harm could there be between consenting adults having oral sex, if they enjoyed it," the Dalai Lama continues, warming to his theme. "But the purpose of sex is reproduction, according to Buddhism. The other holes don't create life. I don't mind - but I can't condone this way of life."

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61 posted on 04/21/2006 8:52:01 PM PDT by DBeers (†)
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To: headsonpikes; Calpernia
If I were you, I'd go after the apparent implicit acceptance of the Freudian personality structure in Cal's thesis.

Ooo! You're still looking for blood and broken teeth on the floor, aren't you? Your ego's not keeping your id sufficiently tamped down. Your superego must be distracted.

Calpernia, I would think that your definition of the ego as moral living is something quite different than Dr. Freud's original definition of the ego.

And if you define the ego as something that adapts into (how very evolutionary!) a 'superego'; a development described in the Old Testament where people 'lived in sin' and became progressively more moral over time, why then your original assertion that: Relgions create a super ego must be an assertion of a positive nature.

Unless remaining in sin is preferable. Then your assertion would not be positive.

62 posted on 04/21/2006 8:57:14 PM PDT by siunevada (If we learn nothing from history, what's the point of having one? - Peggy Hill)
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To: Unam Sanctam
It may be vile, but so is Gere when he walks into an emergency room and wants help to extract a poor defenseless little gerbil out of his ass. Like the old saying goes, a picture is worth a thousand words. Good job Dead.
63 posted on 04/21/2006 9:01:12 PM PDT by antiunion person (Maybe it is BUSH'S FAULT!!!!!!!!!!)
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To: Unam Sanctam

And any google search will find, the ol' guy is celibate; and he's wondered at times, about having a woman.


64 posted on 04/21/2006 9:02:22 PM PDT by roadrunner96
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To: Unam Sanctam

Actually, this sounds EXACTLY like Catholic teaching. His reasoning goes to the original logical and theological underpinnings of this within the Catholic Church as well.

I completely agree with his outlook on our society as well; WE ARE too self absorbed, and many of these "rights" movements within our society are a sorry sign of it.


65 posted on 04/21/2006 9:18:33 PM PDT by Wiseghy ("You want to break this army? Then break your word to it.")
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To: Fitzcarraldo

History supports that theory.


66 posted on 04/21/2006 9:26:28 PM PDT by F.J. Mitchell (The tree never falls far from the apple.)
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To: monkapotamus
Favorite. Quote. Ever.
67 posted on 04/21/2006 9:30:55 PM PDT by AnnaZ (Victory at all costs-in spite of all terror-however long and hard the road may be-for survival)
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To: dfwgator
His pal Richard Gere isn't going to be very happy to hear this.

Neither will that gerbil without a Habitrail...

68 posted on 04/21/2006 9:33:56 PM PDT by Sir Francis Dashwood (LET'S ROLL!)
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To: roadrunner96
I don't know if this pertains to all of those branches of Buddhism.

Depends on the Buddhist. (Some are really expert in martial arts...)

“Buddha wasn't a Christian, but Jesus would have made a good Buddhist.”

69 posted on 04/21/2006 9:39:59 PM PDT by Sir Francis Dashwood (LET'S ROLL!)
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To: AnnaZ
"Favorite. Quote. Ever."

Apparently it was ad-libbed. Classic - I need to rent it again.


70 posted on 04/21/2006 10:10:46 PM PDT by monkapotamus
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To: monkapotamus
I need to rent it again.
Own it.

;^)

71 posted on 04/21/2006 10:25:26 PM PDT by AnnaZ (Victory at all costs-in spite of all terror-however long and hard the road may be-for survival)
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To: Unam Sanctam

<< 'Westerners are too self-absorbed' - dalai lama >>

What's a dali lama when it's not First Class, Five Starring and gold Rolex good timing it around the planet in its Gucci boots?

A pontificating pagan-heathen by any other name.


72 posted on 04/21/2006 10:31:39 PM PDT by Brian Allen (How arrogant are we to believe our career political-power-lusting lumpen somehow superior to theirs?)
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To: Unam Sanctam
"It is fascinating," he says, speaking in slightly stilted English. "In the West, you have bigger homes, yet smaller families; you have endless conveniences - yet you never seem to have any time. You can travel anywhere in the world, yet you don't bother to cross the road to meet your neighbours...

Sounds like my college PoliSci professor!

The West's big problem, he believes, is that people have become too self-absorbed...They have less resilience, they expect more, they constantly compare themselves to others and they have too much choice - which brings no real freedom."

It is rare that I find myself agreeing with the Dalai Lama. Remind me again why libs drool over him. He is to the Left what Christopher Hitchens is to the Right.
73 posted on 04/22/2006 12:04:51 AM PDT by Das Outsider (Are Marxist academics and apostate bishops trustworthy enough to tell you who the "real" Jesus is?)
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To: roadrunner96

Buddhism, like science, doesn't answer questions about God.


74 posted on 04/22/2006 12:12:36 AM PDT by stands2reason
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To: little jeremiah
Hello little jeremiah,

I will bet the Dalai Lama gets it about this one too.

Porn can corrode & corrupt.., consume a mans life

Wolf
75 posted on 04/22/2006 1:05:10 AM PDT by RunningWolf (Vet US Army Air Cav 1975)
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To: siunevada; Calpernia

siun: So, in the golden time before anyone dreamed up a religion, the super-ego did not exist?


In other words, there was a time when no religion existed, but then man 'dreamed' it up. Okay---please explain how man 'dreamed' up religion. More importantly, please explain where man got the 'idea' of religion when religion didn't exist, which means by extension, that man knew absoutely nothing about it.


76 posted on 04/22/2006 3:56:29 AM PDT by Lindykim (Courage is the first of all the virtues...if you haven*t courage, you may not have the opportunity)
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To: Lindykim
Okay---please explain how man 'dreamed' up religion.

That's my question. Calpernia apparently dealt with that in Post 44.

That's when I found that there were alternates to Freud's definitions for id, ego and superego.

77 posted on 04/22/2006 5:01:01 AM PDT by siunevada (If we learn nothing from history, what's the point of having one? - Peggy Hill)
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To: siunevada

>>>I would think that your definition of the ego as moral living is something quite different than Dr. Freud's original definition of the ego.

No, the definitions are the same. I a double major in psychology and there are endless texts on structural personality.

>>>>And if you define the ego as something that adapts into (how very evolutionary!) a 'superego'

I wouldn't use adapts. I would use conditioning. Moral living has to be learned.

>>>>>a development described in the Old Testament where people 'lived in sin' and became progressively more moral over time, why then your original assertion that: Relgions create a super ego must be an assertion of a positive nature.

The people described in the Old Testament lived in sin (id) wasn't a development. People were living in sin. The introduction to people of God and His miracles are what scared people into turning away from sin. This was the first steps to Ego.

>>>>Unless remaining in sin is preferable. Then your assertion would not be positive.

Why is that? You prefer sin?


78 posted on 04/22/2006 5:48:03 AM PDT by Calpernia (Breederville.com)
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To: Lindykim; siunevada

Actually no, siunevada. LindyKim was quoting you. I was referring to religion as being the platform of the superego. I called you on the same quote LindyKim is calling you on in post 36.


79 posted on 04/22/2006 5:56:14 AM PDT by Calpernia (Breederville.com)
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To: monkapotamus

Bill Murray is a very underrated comedic actor, the guy has been in some turkeys, but he still makes them at least watchable.


80 posted on 04/22/2006 8:02:47 AM PDT by dfwgator (Florida Gators - 2006 NCAA Men's Basketball Champions)
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