Posted on 04/19/2006 11:36:45 AM PDT by Icelander
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The American Civil Liberties Union's attempt to get the Minuteman Civil Defense Corps volunteers off state trust land fizzled out Tuesday.
Last week, the ACLU's Ray Ybarra contacted the Arizona State Land Department about the group's presence on state trust land without permits.
On Monday evening, a resource area manager from the Arizona State Land Department visited the volunteers, who are carrying out a monthlong patrol south of Three Points on a private ranch off Arizona 86, both groups concurred. From there, the stories stray a bit.
Stacey O'Connell, Arizona chapter president of the Minutemen, said the issue was resolved that evening when some of the volunteers showed valid permits and those without promised to get them online.
"Nobody was escorted off state land, nobody was asked to leave," O'Connell said.
Ybarra said he heard radio communications as the resource area manager told the group that it needed state permits, even with permission from the ranch owner, to be on state trust land.
On Tuesday, deputy state Land Commissioner Richard Hubbard called it a misunderstanding by the employee. He said the Minuteman Civil Defense Corps volunteers were invited by the landowners to do ranch work in addition to their patrols, which gives them the right to be there.
"They are authorized to be there under the terms of the lease," Hubbard said.
Ranch owner Pat King, whose ranch includes some state trust land that she leases, said she has a contract with the group for the volunteers to monitor cattle, pick up trash and fix fences on her property, King's Anvil Ranch.
She called the ACLU members misguided, out-of-town youngsters who don't understand what people- and drug smugglers have done to her land and the valley.
"Those American Civil Liberties Union persons up there are not concerned about me at all," King said. "So they are not really the American Civil Liberties Union are they? Because they don't give a darn about what has happened to my constitutional rights to property."
Ybarra and about 60 other volunteers have been monitoring the Minuteman volunteers since they began their patrol April 1. The wrangling is the latest in a series of nonphysical skirmishes between the groups.
Ybarra says the volunteers shine high-powered flashlights on them as they drive by. O'Connell accuses the ACLU of berating and harassing them on their patrols and of interfering with Border Patrol apprehensions. He said the group will consider legal action.
Ybarra said he will continue to investigate the state permit law and called the series of events Monday and Tuesday suspicious.
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We don't need no steen-keeng permits!
Mexicans have a movement going now and they think they are unstoppable. They think they can break any law they want and get away with it.
I have a group living behind us and I am sick and tired of their little brats throwing golf balls, hardballs and rocks at our garage door continually, next time I catch the little punks I am calling the police I already contacted Immigration and Homeland Security on the illegals.
They have about 6 different SUV and pickups
their backyard looks like a pigpen with tires and garbage all over it. We are planning to sell very soon. We tried a year ago to sell but when our real estate agent brought prospective buyers they would hear the loud mexican music going on and see bunches of them in the back working on their trucks that deterred every buyer.
The rest of the area is clean and people keep up their homes but when they moved in well you know the rest....
ACLU: US citizen Minutemen are not welcome, but illegal immigrants are.
What's wrong? Read it again, and you may notice that McCombs told the Who, What, When, and Where, but omitted the all-important Why? Why is it so important to the ACLU's Ray Ybarra that the Minutemen -- whose peaceful presence along the border has not lived down to their detractors' dystopic predictions of deadly vigilanteism -- be kept off the trust land? McCombs didn't bother addressing that question, leaving the reader to, perhaps, fill the informational vacuum with well-worn and untrue prejudgments of the Minutemen supplied by immigrant activists, other biased media reports, and, yes, by President Bush.
Sorry, McCombs. Grab your #2 pencil and take a seat. Back to remedial journalism with you.
"She called the ACLU members misguided, out-of-town youngsters who don't understand what people- and drug smugglers have done to her land and the valley."
They would prefer the drug smugglers over the Minutemen.
"Those American Civil Liberties Union persons up there are not concerned about me at all," King said. "So they are not really the American Civil Liberties Union are they? Because they don't give a darn about what has happened to my constitutional rights to property."
Nope. They only care about the ILLEGAL, non-citizens and their ability to oust the citizens of Arizona. And D.C. is right in there, rootin' 'em on, because they aren't doing diddly to stop them. And what a great nation we are. It's only here that our government is working against the people to bring invaders in. Special, just, oh so special...
ping.
You can bet they are working on creating an "incident" whereby they can be sued and shut down.
It's a given these days, that NGO's and so-called "non-profit non-partisan" groups are *anything* but, and their names are usually cloying parodies. E.g. "People For The American Way".
If they are contending that the Minutemen need permits, then what about the illegals that pass through that same land?
The ACLU may have opened up a can of worms they did not intend to.
Americas Communist Liberties Union!
I hope someone investigates if the ACLU has permits.
Great sticker - right on the money!
I agree.
I agree.
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