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Branchless Evolution: Fossils point to single hominid root
ScienceNews ^ | 4/15/2006 | B. Bower

Posted on 04/19/2006 11:19:40 AM PDT by furball4paws

More from that Ethiopian fossil find that sends hominid roots back more than 4 million years.


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KEYWORDS: crevo; crevolist; evolution; graspingatstraws; hominids; teeth
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To: The_Victor
And if the science isn't well established (dare I say proven?), then stuff fails.

Right.

But so far they've been pretty good at not failing on the evolution front. Those recent finds were done by studying where the "correct" geologic layers were that should hold 3-4 million year old hominids. They went there, and sure nuf, there were fossils there that matched the expected change in species.

Evolutionary scientists have done pretty good predicting what we should find in related species DNA too, using Darwin's theory, and he didn't even know what DNA was.

Evolution still stands, despite the fever swamps of religiously motivated nay-sayers.

41 posted on 04/19/2006 2:14:57 PM PDT by narby
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To: narby

"...despite the fever swamps of religiously motivated nay-sayers."

Spiro Agnew lives!


42 posted on 04/19/2006 2:16:19 PM PDT by furball4paws (Awful Offal)
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To: freedumb2003
Yeah. Stupid Evos have to keep changing their theory to fit the facts that come up

Opinion has not changed, its as irrelevant as its history of irrelevance.

43 posted on 04/19/2006 3:59:28 PM PDT by jec41 (Screaming Eagle)
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To: narby; The_Victor
True enough. I guess engineers have to deal more in absolutes than scientists.

Engineers come in after the scientists finish.

Maybe The Victor could engineer for the benefit of all a model of testing that would affirm or not affirm ID.

44 posted on 04/19/2006 4:12:30 PM PDT by jec41 (Screaming Eagle)
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To: jec41
Opinion has not changed, its as irrelevant as its history of irrelevance

What inthe world does that mean?

45 posted on 04/19/2006 4:15:38 PM PDT by freedumb2003 (Don't call them "Illegal Aliens." Call them what they are: CRIMINAL INVADERS!)
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To: freedumb2003
What inthe world does that mean?

You really need a explanation?

46 posted on 04/19/2006 4:22:02 PM PDT by jec41 (Screaming Eagle)
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To: jec41

Since it is babble, yes.


47 posted on 04/19/2006 4:23:32 PM PDT by freedumb2003 (Don't call them "Illegal Aliens." Call them what they are: CRIMINAL INVADERS!)
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To: freedumb2003
Opinion is the useless babble and clutter of random thought that is absent of knowledge.

Opinion seeks its agenda by name calling , lack of knowledge, accusation, misrepresentation, distortion of terms, other unethical acts and in the end when frustrated violence.

In all of its history it has never provided a new fact or any new knowledge.

It remains the same today because it provides no new fact or knowledge.

It remains irrelevant.

48 posted on 04/19/2006 4:36:16 PM PDT by jec41 (Screaming Eagle)
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To: jec41

So you agree that mythology is best left out of science class.


49 posted on 04/19/2006 4:38:24 PM PDT by freedumb2003 (Don't call them "Illegal Aliens." Call them what they are: CRIMINAL INVADERS!)
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To: jec41
Maybe The Victor could engineer for the benefit of all a model of testing that would affirm or not affirm ID.

That would require that we be able to prove or disprove the existence of God. No model conceived in this life is going to suffice.

50 posted on 04/19/2006 4:42:33 PM PDT by The_Victor (If all I want is a warm feeling, I should just wet my pants.)
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To: freedumb2003
So you agree that mythology is best left out of science class.

Science is a defined method. It does not include any argued faith and belief of any philosophy or opinion. Philosophy has its own method as does opinion.

51 posted on 04/19/2006 4:44:49 PM PDT by jec41 (Screaming Eagle)
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To: jec41; freedumb2003
[Yeah. Stupid Evos have to keep changing their theory to fit the facts that come up] Opinion has not changed, its as irrelevant as its history of irrelevance.

Actually, I see misunderstanding of evolution here, and/or deliberate misrepresentation, if the poster has been around here long enough to have seen the innumerable "whats a 'theory'" threads.

The "theory" of evolution is not changed in any way by these new discoveries. They merely rearrange a particular hypothesis about which species begat which. And given the complexity of those little details, I'm sure we'll never know for sure the entire history of species evolution. What we do know is that evolution theory was correct before these finds, and it's still correct.

52 posted on 04/19/2006 4:46:22 PM PDT by narby
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To: narby

You DID know I was being sarcastic, right?


53 posted on 04/19/2006 4:47:12 PM PDT by freedumb2003 (Don't call them "Illegal Aliens." Call them what they are: CRIMINAL INVADERS!)
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To: freedumb2003
You DID know I was being sarcastic, right?

I tend to take things at face value, unless I know the poster well and know what they'd normally say. And my other tendency is to forget posters names from thread to thread, unless I've seen them around a lot.

54 posted on 04/19/2006 4:52:42 PM PDT by narby
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To: The_Victor
Maybe The Victor could engineer for the benefit of all a model of testing that would affirm or not affirm ID.

That would require that we be able to prove or disprove the existence of God. No model conceived in this life is going to suffice.

Proof is a term of philosophy not science. Theory is of a higher order than proof by argument.

It is correct that without a fact neither science or engineering can concieve of any theory that would affirm or not affirm ID. Thats why ID is not science.

55 posted on 04/19/2006 4:55:40 PM PDT by jec41 (Screaming Eagle)
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To: narby

If you look at my original post, you'll see "/CRIDer 'logic'"


56 posted on 04/19/2006 4:57:11 PM PDT by freedumb2003 (Don't call them "Illegal Aliens." Call them what they are: CRIMINAL INVADERS!)
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To: freedumb2003

I did not know until you posed your second question. Sorry.


57 posted on 04/19/2006 4:57:47 PM PDT by jec41 (Screaming Eagle)
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To: jec41

Thats OK -- it was more of a summary.


58 posted on 04/19/2006 5:12:23 PM PDT by freedumb2003 (Don't call them "Illegal Aliens." Call them what they are: CRIMINAL INVADERS!)
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To: furball4paws; PatrickHenry
The teeth look like a remarkable match, but I'm not a bone person. What do you think C-man?

My first impression is how straight the tooth row on the "4.1-million-year-old Au. anamensis, left" compared with the slightly parabolic tooth row of the "previously discovered teeth of 3.3-million-year-old Au. afarensis, right." Not sure how much of this is the reconstruction. Given the wear on adjacent teeth, the angle of the tooth row can be estimated pretty well though. Also, there may be bone which does not show in the photograph.

Second impression is the slight decrease in size; not sure if this is evolutionary or due to the relative sizes of the different individuals.

To me the teeth themselves look quite similar, but teeth are a real specialty, one which I never studied much.

Tim White has been doing some good research, and adding to our once sparse collection of hominid fossils at an amazing rate. It is tough to judge these things from photographs, but you can bet the folks with the actual bones have been studying them pretty carefully.

It does not take too many mistakes to get you canned in science. Accuracy is very highly prized. I would tend to place a lot of trust in what they have to say.

59 posted on 04/19/2006 6:01:40 PM PDT by Coyoteman (Interim tagline: The UN 1967 Outer Space Treaty is bad for America and bad for humanity - DUMP IT!)
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To: The_Victor

You must have met my first wife.


60 posted on 04/19/2006 6:08:36 PM PDT by bpjam (Now accepting liberal apologies.....)
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